Talkin’ Cubs Live – Cubs vs. Royals – 03/09/11

Spring Training Game Twelve: Cubs (4-7) vs. Royals (7-4)
Game Time – 2:05pm CST
Coverage – TV: None – Radio: webcast, XM Radio Channel 187
Location – HoHoKam Park, Mesa

Matt Garza (0-1, 11.25/1.75) vs. Bruce Chen (0-0, 2.25/1.00)

The Cubs get back to work this afternoon behind Matt Garza. Garza will make his third appearance, second start, of the spring. Garza was very good in his last outing (Friday against the Royals) before taking a line drive in the ribs off the bat of Jeff Francoeur. The Cubs lifted Garza for precautionary reasons and Garza finished his outing in the bullpen.

Garza has allowed five runs on six hits in four innings with a walk and a strikeout this spring. Following his last outing, Garza said he would be throwing only fastballs and changeups until his fourth or fifth game of the spring … so don’t expect any breaking stuff from the Cubs’ right-hander this afternoon.

Jeff Baker is expected to hit leadoff this after with the lefty Bruce Chen on the hill for the Royals.

Bruce Chen will make his third appearance, second start, of the spring this afternoon. Chen has put together a good start to the exhibition season. He’s allowed one run on three hits with a walk and three strikeouts in four innings.

The Cubs scored a run on two hits against Chen last Friday. Tyler Colvin hit a solo homer off Chen in the first and the Cubs took a 4-0 lead into the sixth. John Gaub could not find the strike zone and Eric Hosmer made him pay.

Everett Teaford, Kanekoa Texeria and Jesse Chavez are also on Ned Yost’s pitching schedule for Wednesday.

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  • Neil

    Today’s lineup:

    Baker – 2B
    Castro – SS
    Byrd – CF
    Ramirez – 3B
    Soto – C
    Soriano – LF
    Pena – 1B
    Fukudome – RF
    Garza – P

  • Kev

    Garza’s line after 1: 3 hits, 5 runs, 5 ER, 3 BB, 2 KO

  • Neil

    Garza cannot throw strikes, already down 5-0 in the first

  • Neil

    Garza threw 40 pitches in the first

  • Neil

    Garza continued to struggle with command in the second, but did not allow any runs.

  • Aaron

    LMAO….LOL….I told you guys….yes, it’s spring, but if Garza is getting rocked like this already, and can’t find the strike zone (as was his problem previously), I don’t see any possible way this guy is going to develop into a #2 or even a #1 as the Cubs had in mind when they traded 4 of their Top 10 prospects for him. I just don’t get why some people on this site bashed me for stating the obvious about him.

    He is NOTHING more than a #3….Never has been, and never will be. Did anyone else on here see the fangraphs comparison that stated Randy Wells is actually the better pitcher between the 2 of them?

    • gocubs

      I agree with you Aaron. He may be a valuable pitcher for us, especially at what he’s making, but I believe we gave up too much for him. I think Archer has a good shot to better than Garza and Lee would have been a very valuable player for us.

    • Kojak Osborne Jr.

      I completely agree I never like the Garza trade because Garza was always a up and down picture. I would of rather them tried to get Greinke or Marcum which the Brewers I feel did not give up that much. It seem that only Cubs love to overpay for players in a trade.

      • cubtex

        Greinke is already hurt and will miss at least 3 starts in April! He has a social anxiety issue(who probably couldn’t handle the Chicao media) and I am glad the Cubs got Garza ahead of Greinke!!!

      • Richard Hood

        Grienke didn’t even try last year with the Royals. Do you really think he would even survive in Chicago?
        And all of you wondering if JH overpaid for Garza reports out of Texas had there last offer at Perez and 4 of there top 20 prospects. The only reason that the Rays went with the Cubs deal is because we offered a middle IF prospect that Texas did not offer. Trader Jim gave up A LOT for Garza but he did not over shoot the market.

        • Kojak Osborne Jr.

          The Royals was bad last year he should of win more games he had no offense. He been losing for years a change of scenary would of been better for him. We will face both Marcum and Greinke this year so we will see who will have the last laugh.

    • cubtex

      LMAO LMAO LMAO You are right! 27 year old pitcher who have won 15 games are all over the place!! Ha Ha! This guy sucks!! Ha ha! They traded 4 prospects…..let me repeat…..PROSPECTS for a proven 15 game winner who is 27 and locked up for 3 years! I am glad you have a crystal ball and can see that this guy has already peaked at 27! I guess there is no need to follow his career anymore!

      OK stat guy! Garza had 150 K’s last year and 63 Walks. Is that showing any glaring problem?????

      Some other SPRING STATS!

      Roy Oswalt 7.20 ERA
      CC Sabathia 9.64 ERA
      David Price 6.43 ERA

      Those guys all suck!! LMAO LMAO

      • Aaron

        couple problems with your argument:
        1) You act like his 15 wins last year was the norm, rather than an anomaly. In 3 full seasons as a starter, he has the following records: 11-9; 8-12; 15-10. So……”proven” 15 game winner. That’s like saying Milton Bradley was a “proven” .321 hitter, or “proven” 20+hr guy, when in reality, he’s only done it once. So, your definition of “proven” appears to be in stark contrast to what most people would consider “proven” to be.

        2) cubtex, you are absolutely right….the only thing that should matter is walks and K’s, right? LOL You are so ridiculous it’s beyond belief. If that were the case, then I guess Oliver Perez should be a star. I mean, after all, in 2004, he had a 2.98 ERA with 239 K’s and 81 walks…Yeah, that one is a little extreme, so let me bring it closer to home for you. Do you think Bronson Arroyo is a #2 or #1 starter? If you do, then you have an argument, but if you’re like 99% of the baseball world, and think Arroyo is nothing better than a #3, then you’ll note Arroyo has had many similar seasons to Garza. I’ll let you look for yourself smart guy:

        3) Garza will now be 0-2, with a 14.80 ERA in 3 appearances 6 2/3 IP, 10 hits, 11 runs, 11 earned runs, 1 hr allowed, 7 walks and 5 K’s…but, yeah, you’re right, there’s nothing to worry about….
        but wait…..
        In arguably his best season ever (and best spring training) last year, Garza had a 2-1 record, 2.28 ERA, in 6 games, 27 2/3 IP, 19 hits, 7 runs, 7 earned runs, 6 hr allowed, 6 walks, and 27 K’s

        Let’s compare him though to the one’s you just mentioned though:
        Sabathia-0-0, 9.64 ERA, 2 games, 4 2/3 IP, 8 hits, 5 runs, 5 earned, 1 hr allowed, 2 walks, 3 K’s

        Oswalt-0-1, 7.71 ERA, 2 games, 4 2/3 IP, 6 hits, 6 runs, 4 earned runs, 2 hr allowed, 1 walks, 4 K’s

        Price-0-0,6.43 ERA, 3 games, 7 IP, 7 hits, 5 runs, 5 earned runs, 2 hr allowed, 4 walks, 4 K’s

        so……….basically, come back to me with your argument again if Oswalt and Sabathia have bad outings next time, as their stats will be comparable to Garza’s. But at the moment, only Price has the same amount of appearances, and he’s allowed over half the runs Garza has allowed, and almost half the amount of hits. Garza beats him in K’s by 1, but Sabathia has allowed less walks.

        I just don’t get your argument at all. It’s way off base.

        I do have one last question for you though. Are you by any chance Jim Hendry’s love child?

        • BillyFinT


          I’ll be open-minded and say this: The Cubs need all the pitching (Major-proven) that they can get.

          The fangraphs article on Wells is interesting (I guess I posted this already… here:

          ), BUT so has Danny Haren been a greater pitcher than the baseball world thinks. (there’s another fangraphs article on that)

          I know little about pitching mechanics and how the rest of baseball rates pitcher prowess, but the result tells me that Garza is not a fault but “inconsistency” throughout his latest career.

          Sure, not an ace, but #2? Maybe…

          Now, I usually will disregard the W-L record but we know Garza was not that great since he was on a powerful Rays team in 2008 and maybe 2009, but he couldn’t garner them enough quality innings to win.

          My count from his fangraphs gamelogs, 2009:

          11 games pitched less than 6 innings, including 3 bad outings in June.

          8 wins, only 3 games pitched 8 innings or more; out of 8 won, only 4 of those games were dominant (win-leverage, or wpa, more than 0.3).

        • cubtex

          You are so ridiculous that it is downright funny to hear you put up a stat of 6 2/3 innings!!! Ha ha ha ha ha! 2 outings in spring training and he has not been throwing more than a fastball and change! LOL

          And smart stat guy….David Price is considered an ace….Right??? Look what he did the year before last!!!

          Garza is 27 and I would like to bet you that he has not had his best year yet! Would you like a piece of that action Mr. Authority of All Pitching!!!! Make it easy on yourself since you are a div 2 pitching coach! LMAO

          • BillyFinT


            I’m not a “smart stat guy.” Well, I mentioned “The Cubs need all the pitching (Major-proven) that they can get,” which I believe with Garza be considered as one of them.

            The stats are just there to tell you that there was inconsistency. But no way the 27-years old can’t outperform his career. The jury is still out there. Sure, don’t sweat over three ST starts.

            Relax and read about baseball, and I guess, Stay Classy!

          • cubtex

            Dorasaga— That MR Stat Guy comment was not directed to you but to Aaron. Sorry if I got a little obnoxious but these meaningless stats are so ridiculous that I got a little carried away!!! My apologies. In fact I agree with your comment!!!

        • cubtex

          So I guess Marcum is not a proven 13 game winner since he only did it once and Geinke is not a proven 16 game winner since he only did it once LOL LOL LOL

    • cubtex

      Some more Garza Geinke Marcum comparisons Mr. Stat Guy….

      Marcum has only thrown 195 innings in a season 1 time!!!! Previous high was 159 and NEVER won more than 13 games in a year!

      Greinke- Had one season where he had excellent hits per innings pitched…That of course was his Cy Young Year where he won his career best 16 games!!! ( Do you still feel it is not a big deal to win 15 games?????)
      2010 Greinke threw 220 innings and gave up 219 Hits( Not very impressive is it Mr. Stat Guy???)

      2008 Greinke 202 Innings Pitched and 201 Hits…Again,Not very impressive!!

      Garza has thrown 204 innings pitched in 2010….203 innings in 2009 and 184 in 2008 All with given up less hits than innings pitched and won 15 games. 1 less than Greinke’s career best and 2 more than Marcum’s career best.

      I know you will try and spin this in one of your weird and unusual ways but if you know anything about baseball… get a pitcher who is 27 and has thrown 200 innings plus for 2 seasons with playoff experience you have to give up some talent!

    • carmelo

      Let’s see—Archer has walked 5 batters in 4 innings, Guyer is 1 for 10—let’s just settled down and wait to see how this deal works out over time, and over time isn’t March 9th. Let’s not forget Garza won 15 games in the BIG LEAGUES last year.

      • Cheryl

        I agree. But sometimes it’s hard to remember that this is preseason, especially when you know that players get cut who don’t make the grade.and some who are here when the season begins aren’t the type of player you envison.

  • Neil

    Byrd with a homer

  • cc002600

    It’s his 2nd start of the spring, and the 1st one he threw nothing but fastballs.

    Anyone that puts any stock in spring training needs to have their head examined.

    • Neil

      Marmol was nasty in the sixth …

      On Garza, he said he was not going to throw any breaking stuff until his 4th or 5th outing of the spring. Today was his third. Kasper said he saw a breaking ball or two, will have to wait and see what Garza says.

  • cc002600

    Cubtex, well said.

    These guys that are having heart attacks over 3 spring starts by Garza are absolutely ridiculous. It’s a long, long, long season.


  • Tony

    Cubtex and Aaron – Would you guys Stay Classy!

    There is nothing wrong, with agreeing to disagree, and you guys disagree.

    Now I side with Aaron that JH paid too much, and I side with Cubtex, that I could really care less, what his ST stats are, when he is throwing fastballs and change-ups. Yes his start is disturbing,and I hope there is nothing physically wrong, but that is the risk you take, when you trade young talent for arms, that have had the abuse of getting to this point of his career.

    Bottom line – keep the comments about what is going on, and not about calling names, and making yourselves sound like little kids.