Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Rockies - 07/30/10

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Game One Hundred Three: Cubs (46-56) vs. Rockies (52-50)
Game Time - 8:10pm CDT
Coverage - TV: WGN TV - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 188
Location - Coors Field, Denver

Ryan Dempster (8-7, 3.71/1.28) vs. Jeff Francis (3-3, 4.56/1.33)

Updated - 5:44pm CDT - Carlos Zambrano Reinstated from restricted list - Bobby Howry granted Unconditional Release

Lou's crew returns to the field tonight after spending Thursday making their way to Denver.

Carlos Zambrano is expected to be activated before game time. Zambrano has completed his anger management classes and could see his first action since June 25 at the Cell. Zambrano will join the Cubs' pen and Brian Schlitter is expected to return to Iowa to make room on the active roster.

The Cubs won both games against the Rockies in mid-May at Wrigley ... and will miss both Aaron Cook and Ubaldo Jimenez this weekend.

The Rockies have not played to expectations this season. And as the non-waiver trade deadline nears, the Rockies could be buyers as easy as sellers. The Rockies are rumored to have interest in acquiring Ryan Theriot. Will Jim Hendry make a deal with Colorado that includes Theriot before 3:00pm CDT on Saturday?

Tonight it all begins with Ryan Dempster ...

After reaching his goal of 200 innings last year, Ryan Dempster has already thrown 140 2/3 this season ... and is starting to show signs of fatigue. Dempster pitched 206 2/3 innings in his return to the rotation two seasons ago. Dempster figures to top that mark in 2010.

Dempster has struggled with his command in his last three outings. He has walked 10 over 18 2/3 innings with only 14 strikeouts. The Cubs need a long outing from Dempster tonight in order to start the series on a positive note.

July has been a rough month for Dempster. He is 2-1 (five starts) with a 4.20 ERA and an incredibly high 1.67 WHIP (17 walks and 33 hits allowed in 30 innings).

Tonight will be Dempster's first start of the year against the Rockies ... he is 5-3 in 16 career games, nine starts, with a 6.46 ERA and a 1.49 WHIP. At Coors Field, 1-2 in eight games, four starts, with an 11.37 ERA and a 2.05 WHIP.

Rockies Career Numbers against Ryan Dempster

  • Clint Barmes - 1-for-2 with a home run
  • Carlos Gonzalez - 1-for-3
  • Brad Hawpe - 2-for-4
  • Todd Helton - 9-for-21 with a double, 3 home runs and 5 walks
  • Chris Iannetta - 0-for-5
  • Melvin Mora - 1-for-5 with a walk
  • Miguel Olivo - 0-for-3
  • Seth Smith - 1-for-6
  • Ryan Spilborghs - 0-for-2 with a walk
  • Ian Stewart - 0-for-6
  • Troy Tulowitzki - 0-for-4

After beginning the year on the DL, Jeff Francis has had mixed results this season. Francis, once considered the Rockies' number one pitcher, is 1-0 in his last four starts with a 4.29 ERA and a 1.38 WHIP.

The 29-year old southpaw is coming off a no decision to the Phillies in which he allowed two runs on six hits in five innings. Francis walked only one and struck out six ... in his last two outings (12 innings), Francis has struck out 13 and walked only one.

Jeff Francis has not beaten the Cubs in five starts and has struggled in the process ... 0-0 with an 8.77 ERA and a 1.95 WHIP.

The last time Francis faced the Cubs was back on May 29, 2008 ... Lou's crew managed three runs on six hits in five innings. The Cubs lost 8-4, a day before one of the most memorable comebacks in Cubs history.

Cubs Career Numbers against Jeff Francis

  • Marlon Byrd - 0-for-1 with 2 walks
  • Mike Fontenot - 3-for-3 with a double
  • Kosuke Fukudome - 1-for-1 with a double and a walk
  • Koyie Hill - 0-for-4
  • Derrek Lee - 7-for-9 with a home run and 3 walks
  • Xavier Nady - 4-for-14 with a double, a home run and 3 walks
  • Aramis Ramirez - 4-for-14 with 2 doubles and a home run
  • Alfonso Soriano - 2-for-12
  • Geovany Soto - 0-for-6
  • Ryan Theriot - 2-for-4 with 2 walks

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Let's Talk Cubs Baseball ...

  • Boseph Heyden

    I missed everything but the last few AB's. And I guess Bob summed it up best when Nady didn't take second even though they were giving it to him: they gave up.

  • matt

    The Dodgers and Cubs are closing in on a deal, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (via Twitter).

  • Jeff

    Unfortunately it doesn't matter what Hendry does, he has screwed this team for years to come and nothing he can do tomorrow is going to be much help.



    I just hope Cashner can recover mentally from his personal beating tonight ...

  • Neil

    Thank you for re-posting.

  • Jim C (Tinley Park, Illinois)

    What a disgusting piece of baseball, this team has no heart.

  • Jeff

    Boy, how many "What are you gonna do's?" are we going to get out of Lou following this barnburner ...

  • GaryLeeT

    I am so proud to have witnessed baseball history.

  • John G.

    I hope the Cubs score 14 in the 9th. Just for pride.

  • Jeff

    Not enough character on this team to even score 1 in the 9th John ...

  • GaryLeeT

    Not enough to get a hit.

  • John G.

    Nady walked. It wasn't a total bust.

  • Jeff

    Bring back Howry! LOL



    Actually, this would've been the perfect game for Zambrano to pitch in ...

  • John G.

    This is like little league. Isn't there a mercy rule?

  • Neil

    I've never seen anything like this.

  • Jim C (Tinley Park, Illinois)

    8 run 8th 2003 NLCS, but this is just horrible.

  • GaryLeeT

    I am at peace with this drubbing as long as the Cub players' families are happy with the current environment.

  • Neil

    According to Buster Olney, the Cubs and Dodgers are closing in on a deal for Ted Lilly

  • Neil

    This is unbelievable ... glorified batting practice.

  • matt

    The Cubs are discussing two possible scenarios with the Dodgers, according to ESPNLosAngeles.com's Tony Jackson. One would send Lilly to LA and the other would send Lilly to LA along with teammate Ryan Theriot. FOX Sports reported early this morning that the Dodgers could acquire Theriot.

  • matt

    The Cubs continue discussing Lilly with the Yankees and Dodgers, according to Ed Price of AOL FanHouse (Twitter link).

  • ripsnorter

    ESPN says that the Dodger cannot pick up more than $2-3 million in payroll. Lilly has $5 million coming, and Theriot has $867,000 coming. The Cubs, therefore, would have to pick up at least $3 million of the price tag.



    I say, "FORGETABOUTIT."



    Read about it here:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5425054

  • Neil

    From Kaplan:



    Cubs will have to eat some of Lilly's remaining salary to get a deal done with the Dodgers. Hearing they will within reason.

  • Neil

    From the Sun-Times:



    Theriot told friends Friday he feels sure he'll get traded by Saturday deadline.

  • ripsnorter

    It was Dumpster tonight. Again.



    His FA year he really concentrated, and had the control. Hasn't been the same since. Has found a new affinity for giving up the gopher ball. Not a #1 pitcher. Getting paid like a #1, but is a #4 or #5 starter. Too bad for JHendry. Somehow all of his signing just don't work out.



    No Cubs' trades, just like I forecasted. Lilly would probably do well in LA, since it the the #1 ballpark in all of MLB for hurting the offense. He'd look even better their, and give up fewer home runs. But he won't be leaving the Cubs. JHendry doesn't know how to deal Hardin, er, Lilly for anything, so we'll just keep him for now, and get nothing for him later.



    Theriot isn't moving anywhere else, either. Or Funko. Or Fontenot. Or Z. Or Sorry-oh-no. Or DLee. Or Aram. Or Silva.



    The real issues the Cubs must face for the rest of 2010: can they somehow stay ahead of the Astros? They should be ahead of the Pirates when the season ends. But the Astros may actually overtake the Cubs for 4th place.

  • ripsnorter

    Why do I think the Astros will overtake the Cubs? Because Lou will play the veterans who, to my eyes, don't want to play. Aram, DLee, Sorry-oh-no, and must I say it for you: Zambrano. (Question: what is Zambrano doing on a ML roster, besides, I mean, making $91 million dollars? He has lost his temper and his stuff. He's been hurt for 2 years--since the All-Star break of 2008. He doesn't deserve to be here anymore).



    So if Lou plays the same old group, expect the same old results: falling further into the cellar. The Astros are moving up some hungry young players with something to prove, and they just might surpass your Chicago Cubs.

  • Neil

    Castro gets robbed again. Hitting the cover off the ball tonight with nothing to show for it.

  • Neil

    Good job by Colvin ... nice triple.

  • Neil

    From Jayson Stark on Lilly:



    Sources say only real gap separating Dodgers & Cubs on Lilly is amount of $ Cubs would take, could be enough to prevent deal

  • John G.

    First of all, Dempster is a class act. He had a bad night. You guys that are dissing him are off base. IMHO



    Second, too many of you are acting like DLee has personally offended you by turning down a trade. DLee is another class act. Yes, he is on the downside of his career, but it has been better than just a Journeyman career and he has earned whatever prerogatives he has. If he wants to stay here, for whatever reason, he is more than entitled. And none of his teammates are going to think less of him for it.

  • CubsfaninBama

    I agree with you John. The problem is, as Cub fans, we are stuck with so many players that are on the downside of their careers. And as fans, we have a right to be irritated with the losing, which goes in conjunction with the players on the downside of their career. That is why so many people can see we need to get younger. I have no problem with anyone personally and respect what they have brought to the team. And I think it is time for some of them to move on, so we can get younger...you know, take one for the team.

  • Neil

    And there goes Dempster.

  • Tony_Hall

    I have ever stated how much I hate walks!

  • GaryLeeT

    Bear's season....take me away.

  • Neil

    99 pitches for Dempster in 4+ innings. WOW!

  • Neil

    Another dinger off Dempster

  • GaryLeeT

    When I see two players from opposing teams joking around at first base like Lee and Fowler just did, it confirms what I already know about most of these MLB players. It's all about being in "the club" and getting to that big payday, more than it is about winning.

  • Jim C (Tinley Park, Illinois)

    I wish there was a market for Dempster, I'm sick of his act as well.

  • GaryLeeT

    You and me both. I have loathed his ass ever since he pissed his pants in that 2008 playoff game against the Dodgers. I am so tired of the over paid mental midgets that have permeated this team.

  • Neil

    Very ugly inning. Dempster threw 31 pitches (by my count) with three walks. He looks tired.

  • Neil

    According to the Sun-Times, the Yankees are still in on Lilly

  • Neil

    Oh well. That's what happens when a pitcher loses focus on the other pitcher. That was Francis' first hit of the year ...

  • Tony_Hall

    I don't get the big deal of throwing in money to make the deal happen. The payroll is set. If you don't trade him, you will be paying him. The goal should be to not pay all of his remaining pay (you have to pay someone else to be on the roster, league minimum) and get some sort of prospects back. The more you pay, the better the prospects.

  • Neil

    More on Lilly from AOL Fanhouse:



    Dodgers still working on Lilly and Maholm, but nothing imminent. Need cubs to throw in money for Lilly.

  • GaryLeeT

    Good thing Lou gave a lot of the regulars a day off on Wednesday. It's already apparent that extra day has paid off in spades.

  • J Daniel

    Trading Lilly does not make any sense to me whatsoever. They call him the bulldog. I just read here the other day about a GM saying he has balls. Why not extend him 3 years at reasonable money. You need a guy like him on your staff next year. A great GM and Owner would plan ahead.

  • Tony_Hall

    Lilly is going to be a FA and the Cubs can still re-sign him. Trade him now, and get something for him and if they want to sign him in the offseason they can, just not for 3 years. Also what is FAIR for money. If JH resigned him now, he would drastically overpay, let the market dictate his value.

  • J Daniel

    A good GM would know what the fair market value is. Also, how often do you see a player traded and then re-sign with the team that traded him? And maybe it is 2 years, whatever.

  • Tony_Hall

    We don't have a good GM.



    It doesn't happen often, but does happen. Lilly will have to take a pay cut this offseason, and the only true barometer of his worth (in years and $$), will be real offers.

  • J Daniel

    The point is though, Lilly is a winner and a guy that you want on your team. I read all the stuff about Lee, which I agree, but keep your tough guys that are winners. What are they going to get anyway? A prospect that won't pan out anyways and have to pay half of his remaining salary for this year? Silly.

  • Tony_Hall

    If they keep him, the best bet would be to offer arbitration and let him get offers. That way if a team throws out a ridiculous offer, they would get a draft pick that will be better than what they are offering. If he accepts arbitration, you have him for only 1 year and a decent enough pay range.



    That is probably the problem with trading him, nobody is offering better than what the Cubs would get in compensation if he signed elsewhere and the Cubs offered arbitration.

  • J Daniel

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Cubs can't go to arbitration with Lilly. That is for player in thier first 4-5 years (not sure exactly the cut off). They went to arbitration with Theriot as he is still early in his career. Lilly is not an arbitration player.

  • Neil

    Here ya go:



    If a player has filed for free agency, his former club must offer him arbitration by December 1. If the player accepts by December 7, he becomes club property again, returns to the roster, and the two sides may continue to negotiate or go to an arbitration hearing. If the player declines, the sides may continue to negotiate. (A club offering arbitration to a player who has filed for free agency retains the right to draft-pick compensation if he signs elsewhere. The club forfeits compensation if it does not offer arbitration.



    The club's salary offer to a player under its control (pre-free agency players) may not be less than 80% of the player's salary and performance bonuses the previous year or less than 70% of his salary and performance bonuses from 2 years earlier. (Exception: If a player won an arbitration award the previous year increasing his salary 50% or more, the 80% requirement does not apply.) The 80% rule does not apply to free agents who are offered arbitration.

  • J Daniel

    Thanks, Neil. Either way they need a pitcher like Lilly next year. The whole problem is that there is not an ACE. Good guys for a number 3.

  • Tony_Hall

    Right now for 2011 rotation.

    1. Dempster

    2. Wells

    3. Gorzellany

    4. Silva

    5. Cashner



    This doesn't take into account any of the guys at AAA that are having good season. Or that 1 or more of these 5 could get traded. But, I think if this team was closer to a contending team, you would keep Lilly. But, since they are not, you need to look at the younger options coming up.

  • Tony_Hall

    You can offer arb to your FA's. The team has a date they have to make the offer and the player has a date they have to accept by. Once accepted, the player is with the team for 1 year, at whatever pay the arbitrator sets.



    Arb for 4-6 year guys, is to allow players under team control, a chance to be paid market rates for the stats and tenure.

  • Tony_Hall

    Neil - I know I have said this before, but it is worth repeating - Thank-you for this site and the twitter updates. I started a new job and have been out of town all week for the last 2 weeks (3 more weeks of being out of town still to go)and have been able to keep up with what is going on by the twitter updates coming to my phone and the articles and comments posted on this site.



    Also Thank-you to ALL, that post comments. We all don't have to agree with all the comments, but it is great to hear different points of view and angles of what is going on in the world of the Cubs.

  • Neil

    Thank you Tony ... and for all you add to the site as well.

  • Neil

    Yankees just acquired Austin Kearns

  • Tony_Hall

    How many players do they need and what are they going to do with them all?

  • matt

    hey neil what do u think the holdup is on lilly and theriot goint to dodgers or just lilly for that matter why would they pass up maholm for lilly that just sounds stupid

  • Neil

    Matt, I am hearing the hold-up is the amount of money the Cubs are willing to send with Lilly and Theriot.

  • matt

    i know if u get maholm u get him for next year too but lilly only 2 months im thinkin they dont want a rental player

  • skeldor

    How silly do the Phillies look. They had one of the best pitchers in the game in Cliff Lee and traded him because of money yet just traded for Oswalt who made more than Cliff Lee did, lol. They could have had an entire season of Lee instead of the rental in Oswalt.

  • Dorasaga

    Oswalt had agreed not to pick up his option for 2012. He might renegotiate for a deference or delayed payment for his 2011.



    Houston also agreed to pay 11M for Oswalt's 16M+half of 15M this year. This is not a bad deal for the PHils at all.



    He's a man who wants a ring, The Win. The money is secondary now.

  • Neil

    From Rosenthal ... 2 mins ago



    Ken_Rosenthal Previous tweet was on Maholm. #Dodgers also remain active on Lilly, a more established pitcher. Seem intent on getting one or other. #MLB

  • Aaron

    told you....He overplayed his hand. Now he has ZERO suitors for Lilly...well played Hendry...well played.



    Unless the improbable happens where Lilly waives the Twins clause in his NTC, then, in the words of Piniella, "what are you gonna do?" The Rays might be a destination, but I haven't heard anything new about them, and we've already heard the Mets and Tigers are out. I guess if the Padres lose out to the Dodgers on Maholm, then Lilly would be a fit, but what would we get from a team that knows we're backed into a corner? Jerry Hairston Jr.?!? LOL

  • Tony_Hall

    Just one thought on the DLee situation (and I am not trying to re-open this conversation, but talk about other ways to force the trade issue.)



    If the Cubs released him, they would have 10 days to trade him (Neil - what is the official term for this?) I would have to believe he would accept a trade at that point, since he could still dictate which team he would go to, versus being released and possibly, not having a job at the end of his FA year. Just the threat of this, could make him OK the trade.

  • Neil

    Designate for Assignment

  • Jim C (Tinley Park, Illinois)

    Great Point!!

  • Neil

    Let's Go Theriot! Let's Go!

  • Tony_Hall

    Neil - It is hard to believe that during the offseason, how many people I "discussed" Theriot's arb case and the fact that they shouldn't "give in" and pay him, he wasn't worth it. I doubt, no matter what team he is on, there will be much discussion on his arb case this year.

  • Neil

    I think Theriot will be non-tendered this winter... and I have started hearing/reading the same.

  • Tony_Hall

    What's worse - Howry for little money or Zambrano and his contract?



    With Hendry getting somewhat of a vote of confidence saying he will be around next year, you would think he would be more aggresive moving expiring contracts for something, to try and set-up next year.

  • Tony_Hall

    Aaron - I still think Lilly will be moved. It doesn't have to happen by 3 on Saturday, as most likely, Lilly and most other players with any $$'s on their contract will fly through waivers this year.

  • Aaron

    Tony, that is true, but it's also true that Hendry most certainly has already overplayed his hand, thus diminishing the return will get in any Lilly deal as well, in addition to not being able to trade Theriot now. Tigers filled void with Peralta, Padres filled void with Tejada, Dodgers appear to not want him now....

  • Neil

    Aaron, I'm still hearing quite a bit on Lilly. Let's wait until tomorrow ...



    As I mentioned, I am hearing he's trying to make package deals.

  • Tony_Hall

    I agree with you that JH has not played this correctly. He should have made a move a few weeks ago, when more teams were looking and in contention.

  • Aaron

    once again, it appears that Hendry has overplayed his hand. He's backed us so far into the corner that all interested parties appear to have moved on:

    Mets-no longer interested

    Yankees-no longer interested

    Tigers-no longer interested

    Twins-on Lilly's no-trade list, and moved on to Capps anyhow for relief help

    Padres-moved onto other needs, checking out Maholm

    Dodgers-checking out Maholm as well



    For Theriot, everyone appears to have moved on as well.

  • Neil

    D'Backs are still in the mix for Theriot. According to Levine they want to swap Kelly Johnson for Theriot.

  • Aaron

    I heard that too, then I was watching the ongoing ESPN blog, and they said the Johnson for Theriot thing was bunk.



    If it's true, I think Hendry, if he had even half a brain, would've done it in a friggin' heartbeat...



    Who wouldn't? Johnson has a .274 avg, .363 OBP, .492 SLG, 16 hr, 49 RBI



    Theriot's line: .285 avg, .321 OBP, .329 SLG, 1 hr, 21 RBI



    Johnson is 2 years younger, PLUS, he makes about $200k less than Theriot.



    Who in their right mind would do that swap if you have Johnson?



    I'll take back everything I said (well, not everything, but most) about Hendry if he pulls that one off, but it's so illogical that I can't hardly believe it was a rumor at all.

  • matt

    The Astros will pay $4MM of the $7.5MM Berkman will make between his salary and the buyout, according to Sherman

  • Jeff

    From ESPN.com, regarding the Lance Berkman trade to the Yankees ...



    "The Astros will pick up a significant portion of the $6.7 million owed to Berkman this year and in his 2011 option, and the Yankees will not send back any prospects of note ..."



    How does that work exactly? Too bad the Yankees GM isn't running the Cubs!

  • Dorasaga

    I think it's like what the Cubs did with Josh Hamilton? (Rule 5 pick by Hendry, then shipped to the Reds for cash)



    Matt, thanks for the news. Trammell, in the next 3 days, should pitch for a managerial position next year. LOL

  • Tony_Hall

    Actually, this is nothing like the Hamilton deal.



    Rule 5 - Teams pay a team for the right to the pick and don't know who the team wants, until after after agreeing to "sell" the pick. That year the Cubs didn't have anyone they wanted, so they took the cash. Most years, nobody knows much about these deals, as they don't usually end up having that good of season.



    The Berkman deal, is just a trade agreeing to terms (players and cash).

  • Dorasaga

    Thanks for clarifying. I didn't mean the Rule5, but the right of any ballclub to trade, under any circumstance, for cash-only.

  • Dorasaga

    By the way, Oswalt just lost 3 runs to the rebuilding Nats, due to 2 bad errors, and one mediocre catch at third, all infield.



    Theriot should feel happy.

  • matt

    Lou Piniella will miss Saturday, Sunday, Monday games to attend funeral of his uncle.

  • Jeff

    Can we say that releasing Bob Howry is the first move Jim Hendry has made to improve the team this season?

  • Neil

    Tonight's lineup:



    Colvin - RF

    Castro - SS

    Lee - 1B

    Ramirez - 3B

    Byrd - CF

    Soriano - LF

    Soto - C

    Theriot - 2B

    Dempster - P

  • matt

    tonights lineup



    colvin-rf

    castro-ss

    lee-1st

    aram-3rd

    byrd-cf

    soriano-lf

    soto-c

    theriot-2nd

    dempster-p

  • Neil

    Thanks for posting the lineup.

  • matt

    no prob

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