Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Pirates - 09/30/09

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Game One Hundred Fifty-Eight: Cubs (82-75) vs. Pirates (60-97)
Game Time - 7:05pm C.T.
Coverage - TV: Comcast SportsNet Plus - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 183
Location - Wrigley Field, Chicago

Carlos Zambrano (9-6, 3.69/1.37) vs. Jeff Karstens (3-5, 5.45/1.49)

Final from Game One - Cubs 0 Pirates 4

Ted Lilly took the loss in game one after the Cubs' offense was silenced by Charlie Morton. The Cubs managed only four hits, three by Ryan Theriot, and Morton picked up the first complete game shutout of his career ... will have full recap up later tonight. Wednesday afternoon was the fifth time this season Ted Lilly was on the wrong end of a shutout.

Carlos Zambrano will face Jeff Karstens in game two. No word yet whether Derrek Lee will be in the lineup or not. Koyie Hill will be behind the plate in game two.

Tonight it all starts with Carlos Zambrano, for the last time this season, and just winning a ballgame ...

Carlos Zambrano will make his last start of the season tonight. Zambrano threatened earlier in the week that he would retire following the 2010 season if he has a repeat performance of 2009. Zambrano has all of the ability to be one of the best in the game ... and he has shown that over his last two outings.

Zambrano is coming off a complete game, two-hit shutout against the Giants. Zambrano was on top of his game ... and many feel he actually threw the ball better than the night he no-hit the Astros in Miller Park.

Big Z is 2-4 in 12 home starts this season with a very high 4.94 ERA and a 1.49 WHIP.

Carlos Zambrano has pitched better than his win-loss record indicates this season. He has kept his team in just about every game, sans his three starts in August, and like the rest of his staff mates he's been a victim of little to no run support this season.

After a horrible August (0-2 in three starts with a 10.13 ERA and a 2.53 WHIP, including a stint on the DL), Zambrano is 2-0 in his last five starts with a 2.81 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP ... right in line with every other month this season.

Tonight will be Zambrano's third start of the year against the Pirates ... Big Z is 1-0 in the first two with a 2.19 ERA and a 1.46 WHIP.

  • Ronny Cedeno - 2-for-3
  • Ryan Doumit - 5-for-14 with a double and 3 walks
  • Jason Jaramillo - 0-for-6
  • Garrett Jones - 1-for-3
  • Andy LaRoche - 1-for-6 with a double and a walk
  • Andrew McCutchen - 1-for-2 with a double and a walk
  • Lastings Milledge - 1-for-3
  • Brandon Moss - 3-for-11 with a home run
  • Steve Pearce - 1-for-4 with a walk
  • Ramon Vazquez - 5-for-12 with 3 walks
  • Delwyn Young - 0-for-7 with a walk

Jeff Karstens was inserted into the Pirates rotation when Ross Ohlendorf was shutdown for the season following his last start on September 19. Karstens will make his second start in a row after not starting a game since June 5. The Pirates see Karstens as a part of their rotation next season.

Karstens threw the ball extremely well in his last outing against the Dodgers. He completed only three innings and did not qualify for the win. Karstens allowed one run on three hits in three innings ... the Pirates beat the Dodgers 3-1.

Tonight will be Karstens' sixth road start of the season. He is 1-2 on the road in 17 games, five starts, with a 5.54 ERA and a 1.57 WHIP.

For his career, Karstens is 1-1 in three games, two starts, versus the Cubs with a 5.73 ERA and a 1.82. He dominated Lou Piniella's lineup on August 1, 2008. The Cubs could not score a single run off Karstens in six innings.

  • Jeff Baker - 0-for-1
  • Mike Fontenot - 1-for-3 with a walk
  • Kosuke Fukudome - 0-for-4 with a walk
  • Koyie Hill - 1-for-1
  • Micah Hoffpauir - 1-for-1 with a double
  • Derrek Lee - 2-for-5 with a walk
  • Aramis Ramirez - 3-for-5 with a home run
  • Bobby Scales - 0-for-1
  • Geovany Soto - 0-for-4
  • Ryan Theriot - 0-for-2 with a walk
  • Carlos Zambrano - 0-for-2

Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....

  • ripsnorter

    You want Samardzija on the roster? He's a good fastball plus nothing. Not even going to make the bigs unless he learns another pitch or two. I've written him off.

    Harden? He gone . . . .

    Miles will be back. They have to pay him. Z will be back. Bradley--they'll have to pay someone $21 million to take him. What more proof do you need that JHendry is completely incompetent?

    And that still leaves you with the piece of junk Sorry-oh-no for the next five years! And you can forget Soto. I've seen Rick Wilkins before. Wilkins hit 30 HR for the Cubs in 1993, and after that he hit 7 per year. A flash in the pan. Rick Wilkins, meet Geovanny Soto.

    Plenty of trouble ahead, and not much room to fix it all due to the wrong-headed GM JHendry.

  • JimK

    Oh well, bad experience is sometimes the best teacher. Marmol gets some too.

    We couldn't split the double header. Maybe we can split the series, behind Gorzelanny.

  • JimK

    Yes, there is a reason for Marmol pitching tonight. Lou wants his closer to experience what closing can be like the first 15 days of April.

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Points to ponder during this poor showing by the team today.....

    I look at the positive....we now have finished over .500 for three years in a row for the first time in pretty much my entire lifetime. (I was 2 years old when they reached 6 consecutive years...so thats a plus.

    Considering how awful this season got towards the end of summer, we took it down to the final 6 games of the year. For as many players tanked on us this year, that's better than it probably should have been.

    We have the ability to finish the season with 86 wins. Even at 84-85 wins, that is just a few short of 90 which I think everyone would agree was sort of the benchmark number for the playoffs. Again, for the issues this team had they fell just a few short of the 90 win mark.

    We won an amazing 97 games last year and that couldnt have been expected again. We will only have dropped off by perhaps 12 wins. All things considered, thats not that bad. With as many issues as the Cubs faced, we almost overcame the odds. That is a sign of a good ballclub.

    Ramirez missed a healthy chunk of the season....that was probably the biggest factor, along with the fact once he went down we had nobody to step in and play 3B while he was out. Little Babe Ruth just was not the answer.

    Soriano had a miserable year.

    Soto had a miserable year and missed a good chunk of it as well. Though Koyie Hill was admirable while filling in....he just isnt meant to be an every day catcher.

    Bradley is just an a**h*le.

    Zambrano was not consistant and spent time on the D.L. because he hates to do situps.

    Dempster was not consistant and missed time from a poor jump over a dugout railing.

    Lilly spent some time of the shelf during crunch time.

    We didnt have a lights out closer. Though Gregg only blew 7 games, (most closers will not be perfect) he still didnt instill that fear to the other team that 9th inning means game over most of the time.

    Even with all of the above (and there are plenty of other odds and ends to be included) we came awful damn close.

    Lets also look at a few of the positives:

    Derek Lee....the man proved he still has something left. 35 Home Runs and 111 RBI's and 6 games left....

    Randy Wells...11 wins and a 3.18 ERA that has been inflated with his struggles lately. (He should have been shut down a few starts ago with the number of innings he has racked up)

    Guzman looks like he can be a very good set up man... stayed healthy for the most part and finished 3-3 with a 2.95 ERA in 55 games.

    Marmol has looked like a very nice closer and is ready for his shot next year.

    Lets hope that Soriano can bounce back....we trade that cancer Bradley....Soto realizes he cant sit on his ROY award and must work to stay in shape ready to play...that Big Z works hard all winter....and Ricketts gives Hendry direction for this club. A few tweaks and I believe we are back in the race for the division again next year.

    I think the biggest moves for the Cubs would be:

    Get rid of Bradley. Move Fukudome to RF. Re-sign Johnson and platoon Reed and Sam Fuld in CF. Both are gamers...and both do well situationally. Reed is great against RH pitching and Fuld has done well against LH pitching. Re-sign Harden. Go after Orlando Hudson for 2B. Explore what Jake Fox and Michah Hoffpauir can get us on the trade block. Explore if we can also move Fukudome and go after a big power bat for RF. Christmas wish list would be Vladamir Guerrero. Hey...I can wish!!!

    Then head into next year with:



    Fuld/Johnson CF

    Hudson 2B

    Lee 1B

    Ramirez 3B

    Soto C

    Soriano LF

    Fukudome RF

    Theriot SS

    Get rid of Miles as utility and replace with Blanco. Get a good stick for the bench who can also adequately play 3B when Ramirez needs a day off or misses time. Get rid of Hill as backup C and get someone who can step in with more offense if Geo struggles again.

    Lilly SP

    Harden SP

    Zambrano SP

    Dempster SP

    Wells SP

    Samardzija RHP

    Caridad RHP

    Grabow LHP

    Marshall LHP

    Guzman SU

    Marmol CL

    Just my 2 cents.....

  • SuzyS

    Seems being eliminated last night hit deflated them hard. I guess it would have it me hard also...still, to get swept by the Bucs is not fun.

    -Joe, I like your positve attitiude.

    My brain is sleepy like the Cubs bats...so I'll have to comment on your

    post another time.

  • John G.

    In other news. The Tigers beat the Twins tonight to drop their Magic # to 2. Looks like it may be all but over in the AL.

    Let the playoffs begin.

    I DO think it is absurd that the WS doesn't START until 10/28. They'll be playing in November. What's the odds that at least one game is canceled due to cold or snow? Especially if we have Boston against Colorado.

  • JimK

    Grabow is ineffective, and the Bucs tack on 3 more. He's given up 4 singles, and the Bucs are still batting.

    I guess the lesson points (twice today) are that our Little People are offensively challenged when counted on a lot, and that the Bucs have found some late MO against the Dodgers and the Cubs.

  • John G.

    Well it looks like the Cubbies may be satisfied with nothing more than a winning season. They hit 82 wins and then lay down.

  • Neil

    The season is all but over and the effort from the Cubs today shows it.

  • GaryLeeT

    If this double header was a showcase for for future talent and possible FA signings, like Grabow, there nothing to look forward to in 10.

  • Neil

    Bad call on the double play to end the sixth. Looked like Fuld got his hand on the bag...

  • SuzyS

    -Would you trade him for Patton? lol

    By the way, Rebel Riding has to make the bigs...I just love his name....but I don't know how his parents could do that to him.

  • JimK

    Z's execution continues to come and go, but it's still 4-2 Bucs going to the bottom of the 6th.

    It was just announced that Florida leads the Braves 5-2 going into the 9th. Our former pitching prospect, Nolasco, has 16 strikeouts in the game, including 9 in a row. WOW!!!

  • Neil

    Here comes Donald Veal ...

  • SuzyS

    Hey guys...I'm surprised...I thought Z

    would be dealing tonight...he's already over 110 pitches...the sails have hit the doldrums after elimination.

  • JimK

    Z was aggressive at bat (double) and on the bases (run scored). Then Pat talked as if he was zeroed in on the mound. Maybe Z can shut them down the rest of the way. We need two to tie.

  • Grant

    where can i find a link to who and where the cubs prospects will be playing for fall/winter ball

    thanks

  • JimK

    Someone will have a better answer than this, but: If you leave your cursor on "Roster" at cubs.com, the minor league affilates will appear. Click on that, and it should enable getting to the AZ Fall League--possibly just referenced in a margin. The Mesa Solar Sox are a combined team with a few other teams--and we have several players there. You can probably do a short cut by doing a search on Mesa Solar Sox.

    Soon that affiliates page should reference in the margin the Latin American winter leagues, including the Mexican, the Dominican, the Venezuelean and the Puerto Rican (and the Hawaiian). The Cubs usually have 8 or 10 players/prospects on a few of those teams. Click on the teams' rosters, find the players, and then check on the stats page from time-to-time to see how they are doing.

  • Neil
  • JimK

    Isn't it wonderful, that that nice young man, Neil, learned shorthand and computer-speak! I talk so slow, that before I could tell the nice young coed on the Lake Michigan beach in Michigan City that I wasn't that kind of a boy, I was.

  • JimK

    Agree, Neil. You would think that Z would be focussed on keeping his 10 or more victory streak alive. Too many walks and too many timely hits allowed. With the wind blowing in and the cold temperature, it will be hard to score 5 runs tonight.

    Two (of many) possibilities: Z is turned off by the cold night and Z is doing his part to lower his trade value. LOL

  • Jim C (Tinley Park, IL)

    Jim K:

    FYI

    Today is seth Smith's birthday.

  • JimK

    I sent him a card, and this morning voiced appreciation that the team was able to recover from Jason Kendall's tying three run homer in the 9th last night. LOL

  • GaryLeeT

    I guess Zambrano the pitcher is already on his way back to Venezuela and left some thrower behind in his stead.

  • Neil

    Z just doesn't have it tonight

  • JimK

    It's time to get the split in today's doubleheader.

    A tad more on Matt Cerda and the AZ Instructional League. As Aaron notes, Cerda is rehabing in Mesa from a broken hand. He is expected to play in the AZ IL at 2nd base within a few days. I think that he last played in Boise at the end of June. As an aside, Flaherty, Burke, et. al. played in what may have been the leagues first game yesterday.

    I recommend that all who have the time, spend a long weekend or a week at Spring Training. There are some reasonable accomodations, including the Dobson Ranch Inn where the TW and I have stayed for five or six years. Game tickets are reasonable, and often can be purchased through your hotel.

    Seeing the daily goings on at Fitch Park's four minor league diamonds is free, including parking. It was there, last year that I visited with Jody Davis. My wife and I watched a AAA game while sitting among 15 or 20 low A guys in the shaded bleachers--including Matt Cerda. I suggested to the TW that Matt better be able to play somewhere other than his intended catcher position because at 5' 9" and 165 lbs. he wasn't a likely catcher. She reminded me that Yogi Berra was 5' 7".

  • Bryan

    It would have been nice to see Fox at 3B and Baker at 2B.

  • Neil

    Tonight's lineup"

    Fuld - CF

    Theriot - SS

    Lee - 1B

    Hoffpauir - LF

    Baker - 3B

    Johnson - RF

    Fontenot - 2B

    Hill - C

    Zambrano - P

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