Game One Hundred Forty-Six: Cubs (75-70) vs. Cardinals (85-62)
Game Time - 7:15pm C.T.
Coverage - TV: Comcast SportsNet - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 188
Location - Busch Stadium, St. Louis
Ted Lilly (12-8, 3.05/1.08) vs. John Smoltz (3-6, 6.53/1.42)
The Chicago Cubs begin their final road trip of the 2009 series tonight with the first of three against the soon-to-be NL Central Champs. The Cubs three-city, 10-game trip concludes in San Francisco next Sunday ... with a three-game stop in Milwaukee mixed in.
The Cardinals magic number for winning the division is down to eight games. The Cardinals have lost five of their last six but with the Cubs losing back-to-back games to the Brewers, the Cubs will enter play tonight nine games back of the Redbirds. So no matter what happens this weekend in St. Louis, Albert Pujols and company will not be able to return the favor from a year ago and clinch against the Cubs.
Lou Piniella's crew is just 5-8 against the Cardinals this year ... 1-5 in St. Louis.
It appears Mark DeRosa will finally face Ted Lilly tonight. DeRosa missed Lilly when the Indians played the Cubs at Wrigley in the June and the former teammates joked about DeRosa 'ducking' Lilly. Mark DeRosa put on a hitting clinic against Ted Lilly at HoHoKam last March ... and some thought Lilly was 'serving it up' to DeRosa in turn setting him up for later in the season.
After the archrivals completed their four-game series in Chicago to close out the first half of the year many thought this series would be for the division crown ... but the two teams have gone in opposite directions since splitting the series two months ago.
Chris Carpenter was pushed back a day and Kyle Lohse will miss the series. Carpenter will start Saturday against Ryan Dempster with Adam Wainwright facing Carlos Zambrano in the finale on Sunday night.
Tonight it all begins with Ted Lilly, playing for pride and finishing the season with a winning record ...
Ted Lilly is coming off another great outing against the Reds. Lilly tossed six innings of shutout ball and allowed just six hits with two walks and seven strikeouts. Lilly has won his last three starts and the Cubs are 4-0 since August 28 in games started by 'The Bulldog'. Lilly is 3-0 in his last three starts with a 0.90 ERA and a 0.85 WHIP.
Ted Lilly has become the Cubs' number one pitcher this season.
Lilly is 4-7 in 13 road starts this year with a 4.62 EERA and a 1.26 WHIP.
The last time Ted Lilly was in St. Louis, the 'best fans in all of baseball' booed him as he was introduced as a part of the NL All-Star team. Lilly is 1-1 in four starts against the Cardinals with a 2.40 WHIP.
Tonight will be the first time the Cubs will see Matt Holliday in a Cardinals' uniform ... and the mid-season trades for Holliday, Mark DeRosa and Julio Lugo have really worked out for Tony LaRussa.
- Rick Ankiel - 3-for-13 with a double and a home run
- Mark DeRosa - 2-for-10 with a home run and a walk
- Khalil Greene - 1-for-10
- Matt Holliday - 1-for-5 with 3 walks
- Ryan Ludwick - 4-for-23 with 4 doubles and 4 walks
- Julio Lugo - 4-for-16 with a home run
- Yadier Molina - 5-for-28 with a home run and 3 walks
- Albert Pujols - 10-for-34 with 2 doubles, 2 home runs and 5 walks
- Colby Rasmus - 2-for-5 with a home run
- Brendan Ryan - 5-for-22 with 3 walks
- Skip Schumaker - 1-for-12
The Cubs will get their first look tonight at John Smoltz in a Cardinals' uniform. Dave Duncan has worked his magic with yet another pitcher and the future Hall of Famer has pitched rather well since signing with the Cardinals.
The Cubs were rumored to be very interested in John Smoltz before he signed with the Cardinals after being released by the Red Sox. Apparently Mark DeRosa had a little to do with his former teammate joining the 'Other Evil Empire'.
The Cardinals skipped John Smoltz the last time through the rotation. Smoltz is dealing with a sore shoulder and is coming off a no decision against the Brewers. Smoltz allowed three runs on six hits in five innings with no walks and seven strikeouts.
While Smoltz has posted only one win with St. Louis, the Cardinals are 3-1 in the four games he's started.
John Smoltz has dominated the Cubs throughout his career ... 15-5 with eight saves in 39 career games, 29 starts, with a 3.33 ERA and a 1.10 WHIP.
With the free-swinging Cubs offense, Smoltz figures to have a field day tonight and add to his impressive strikeout totals since moving to the National League. In 22 innings Smoltz has walked one batter while striking out 28.
- Milton Bradley - 1-for-8
- Derrek Lee - 4-for-18 with a triple, a home run and a walk
- Aaron Miles - 2-for-9 with a double
- Aramis Ramirez - 4-for-12 with 2 home runs and a walk
- Ryne Sandberg - 13-for-46 with 6 home runs and 7 walks
- So Taguchi - 0-for-2
Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....
















It does matter that the Cubs play as well
as they can here....win lose or draw...it's the Cardinals.
For the road trip...I expect a 3-7 or
4 and 6 mark. They still need seven more wins for a winning season.
Other then that, these games are meaningless.
I like our chances tonight. While Smoltz has been super impressive with SO's, he's been hit pretty hard his last two outings.
Their next two starters, Carpenter and Wainwright, are much more formidable now. Last year W and C won 11 games (all by W), and they are now on track to win 38 to 40. If you want two big reasons why the Cards have been so good, C and W jump out at you.
The TW has recovered from our recent Chicago night life. So, like it or not, we will leave soon for our favorite pub and the blues of Chicago's Biscuit Miller. Maybe Harry had a hand in naming the guy.
Play well Cubs and take one from the Cards.
Tonight's lineup:
Theriot - SS
Fukudome - CF
Lee - 1B
Ramirez - 3B
Hoffpauir - RF
Soto - C
Baker - 2B
Scales - LF
Lilly - P
It would be pretty interesting being a fly sitting on Lou somewhere whenever he was discussing his true thoughts on Fox.
Seems like all season long the question has been:
"WHY ISN'T FOX IN THE LINEUP???"
Is he ever playing Fox again? Lou has gone numb.
Hello CCO!
Three straight doubles ... DLee wih RBI #103, Ramirez RBI #59
Happy St. Patrick's Day! Fella~
Today is "Green Day" for the Good Guys. I can tell it's too good a night for hitting a pub, albeit Cubs' baseball.
Since perhaps August 30, Every once a while I check up here, every one left early and left "no comment," made me forgets Cubs is still trying to win a record.
But that's all good. Go Cubs.
Neil, by the way, sorry I have not read the numbers for the DLee-Billy-Ryno WeePA comp. Please have patience with me, as I have with the Cubs.
Not a problem, just post 'em when you can.
Lilly 1 ... DeRosa 0
DeRosa looked to be smirking during the at bat.
DeRosa got the best of Lilly that time ... triple down the LF line with a little help from a misplayed ball by Bobby Scales.
Lilly 1 ... DeRosa 1
Hey Neil...little lonely on here tonight?
Just checking in...looks like a good game so far. ( I know...better a few minutes ago.)
Little bit ... but to be expected.
Been a good game but they allowed Smoltz to settle in, could have been more than two runs.
Lilly won the third and likely final battle against DeRosa ... fly out to center in the seventh
In the Lilly-DeRosa Battle
Lilly 2 ... DeRosa 1
Kevin Gregg is warming up ... WHY? If Lou is willing to lose on a home run I would rather see Justin Berg try and get experience.
Time to see what these kids have and Berg did a nice job on Thursday.
Hoffpauir is being called back for Aaron Miles?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Nice bunt by Miles...
Horrible at bat by Soto, never took the bat off his shoulder. Looked at three straight with the go ahead run in tying position
Cmon Baker...Neil complementing Miles????
Yes I did. And to be honest, I have been wanting to all season.
Re Miles...as guy his story is compelling
But as a player, he had one HORRIBLE season.
Agreed. Very disappointed with him. No where near the player that always seemed to be a thorn in the Cubs' side
We have to break serve next inning...
(assumes we hold them lol).
Gregg to face Pujols...Lilly should be left in.
That's probably game...What is Lou
thinking? Gregg will be overmatched against the probable MVP.
Gregg? For real?
Whew!!! Maybe Lou's a genius?
Crow pie?
Gregg, like Aaron Miles, did a good job against Pujols. I like it when I am wrong...
Agreed...who would have thought Franklin
would have the season he's had...
1.93 ERA this year...I thought they were toast when they couldn't sign a closer...
I was really wrong.
I agree Neil, atleast the guy got Albert to ground out.
Question; if it's almost certain that Gregg will never see a Cub uniform again why would Piniella use him in such a spot? Does he feel sory for him and wants to give him a a better shot at finding a home? because it does not make sense to me...why not use a rookie to test him? I can't stand Gregg, I see him and in my mind he represents our failure or atleast a very big part of it.
I do not understand why Gregg is still pitching. Granted he did a good job tonight but I do not see how he could be in their plans for the next season ... or beyond. I would rather see Berg or Stevens, see what they've got.
That's 10 strikeouts for the Cubs tonight...
Riot carries the Cubs Hope!!!!
Sigh, Riot picked off.
Theriot picked off first in the ninth inning
Holliday hits the bomb to win it in the ninth...3-2.
It's funny, I don't feel bad about it...
The Cubs played well....It's their year not ours...
Goodnight all
Good win, and good night.
Dream 2010! May Hendry be divine!
This was a good game, and much heavier credit towards the Cards side of the scale.
I don't know what happened to their previous series, when the hot bats from Miami overpowered them. But like what I said to a foreign friend two months ago: "I have more faith in the Cardinals winning a World Series than the Cubs now."
If today was NLCS, I bet the result would be the same: a linedrive homer out of a low run environment.
Forgot to give Heilman an honorable mention
in the failure department...but he was pretty bad
when he came here in the first place.
Oh well, maybe tomorrow.
what an abomination this team is. At least the Mets have an excuse, losing practically their entire damn roster to injury. If you think about it, we've lost ARAM when it really counted, but Soriano was with the team nearly the entire season. Our starting pitchers have missed a few starts, but nearly every team in the league experiences that with their starting pitchers.
If this is the best effort this team can put forth, then there is absolutely nothing to look forward to. I mean, think about it for a minute....Today, we had Theriot, Fukudome, Lee, ARAM, Soto, and Baker in our lineup with Lilly starting...that's 7 out of 9 people expected to be in our everyday lineup next year. There's no excuses like, "well, we were playing without our 'big' players"...because, in fact, we absolutely were...and if you think Soriano is supposed to be the savior of this team, then you belong at the funny farm. We've actually had the same players to work with pretty much since ARAM came back, and yet this is the pathetic results we get. Please realize that ARAM missed 2 damn months, and yet he's second on the team in RBI. Do you realize how pathetic that really is?!?
This team might even lose 100 games next year, and I'm not even kidding. Our starting staff will be even older. Wells had a heavy workload, and might suffer the consequences as most young pitchers do in their sophomore seasons. The average age of our starting lineup will be 32 years old, and we'll likely have 4 returning guys in the pen (Grabow, Marshall, Guzman, and Marmol). If the Cards retain their team, they're the favorites, but with young, energetic teams in Pittsburgh, Cincy, and Milwaukee...the only pushovers in the division are the Astros, and we play a TON of games against our division....so, yeah, I think it's fairly reasonable to suggest this team is closer to losing 100 games next year, than it is to even breaking even at .500. And if this year is any indication of things to come with the amount of quitters we have on the team, then you'd need wholesale changes to rid yourself of that attitude, and clearly, that isn't happening.
Hey Aaron...what your thoughts on DeRo?
He says he'd like to come back...has that ship sailed?
Suzy, I know you asked Aaron but I thought I would chime in.
Reports are that DeRosa will need surgery on his wrist at the end of the year. He figures to get a big pay day this winter. As much as I like DeRosa he would be adding more age to a team that needs to get younger.
DeRosa said it again tonight, he did not understand why he was traded from the Cubs.
I tend to agree...but still...it was DeRo
if you understand what I mean.
Tonight is a microcosm of the season...
Dero gets a huge hit with a gimpy wrist.
Bradley collects splinters on the bench
with his sour attitude and bum knee.
Neil, how many games difference do you think subtracting Bradley and adding DeRo to the team THIS season would have meant.
ie. if we were far enough ahead...the Cards might not have invested in Halliday.
There has to be a way to quantify the difference.
Suzy, that question is very hard to answer. There are so many variables ... or what ifs.
I think DeRosa would have helped, obviously, with losing Ramirez and in turn Fontenot might have had a better year.
I remember last winter when Hendry said he would not be making many changes to the roster then he changed 40% of it.
How he reacts to this season will be very interesting. He tore apart a 97-win team, so how does he try to fix a team that might finish with a .500 record?
The DeRosa trade will go down as one of the worst in the team's history ... no matter what all of the 'stat heads' say.
here's my thoughts on everything Suzy...(I also posted this in the community blog under waldo's post):
Cubs lost on every single trade/signing but the Gorzelanny/Grabow trade, where even that might be a toss-up, providing the Pirates use Ascanio as a starter, which is a role he seems to excel at. Hart has been roughed up, but so has Gorzelanny with us. In my mind, the 30 year old Grabow is less valuable than Ascanio, so again, we most likely will lose this one.
We traded our top pitching prospect at the time, Jose Ceda for that loser Gregg, who was coming off leading the league with 9 blown saves AND coming off knee surgery...go figure....oh, and the Marlins were set to non-tender him because they didn't want to pay him closer money with Lindstrom in the wings. Granted, Ceda has been injured all season, but he was just 21 years old, and could hit 100 mph, and at one time had something like 21 straight hitless innings...HITLESS!!!!!!! That's insane.
So, if you were to look at moves chronologically, here's what you'd have:
1)DFA'd Casey McGehee with several roster spots open AND no clear option at the minor league level for 3B depth
*lost...and BIG, with McGehee likely winning the ROY
2)Gregg trade
*lost
3)DeRosa trade
*lost
4)Signed Miles
*lost
5)Signed Gathright
*lost...why?!? Pie was 1/2 the cost and better upside
6)Signed Gaudin, Cotts, and Johnson to tender offers. Only saving grace was Johnson, even though he was injured this year, but Gaudin with his escapades at the end of the year, and Cotts' ineffectiveness made those 2 transactions head scratchers indeed
*lost 2 of 3...net result...=lost
7)traded for Patton in Rule 5
*lost
8)Signed Chad Fox
*lost
9)Traded Marquis
*lost...badly
10)Signed Bradley
*lost...even worse
11)Signed So Taguchi
*lost
12)Traded Pie for Williamson and Olson
*lost
13)Traded Cedeno and Olson for Heilman
*lost
14)Signed Bako
*lost
15)Traded Rich Hill for PTBNL
*lost, because he'd lost all value by the time Hendry finally pulled the trigger
16)Traded Wuertz for Sellers and Robnett (both of whom were subsequently released within 2 months of this trade)
*lost badly
17)Signed Koskie...who was coming off multiple concussions and time off
*lost
18)Signed Mike Stanton
*lost
19)trade Gathright for Freel
*lost...because we never should've signed Gathright to trade Pie to begin with
20)traded Albuquerque for Jeff Baker
*won
21)traded Hart and Ascanio for Grabow and Gorzelanny
*neither won nor lost
That's the chronological order for you, and it's ugly. I have never seen a GM essentially go 1-for-21 in transactions in a calendar year and still keep his job. I know if I'm an owner and I see this transpire, I couldn't live with the guy, and yet Hendry has been given a vote of confidence apparently from Ricketts, so we go from one clueless owner (Tribune and Zell) to another...What's the difference?!?
I loved DeRosa for this year...and I could understand the reasoning for trading him if you're doing the "sell high" approach. But when you're doing that, you HAVE to get top prospects, and the idiot that is Hendry didn't even get a Top 30 prospect of the Indians in that deal. There's no denying that DeRosa is a physical specimen. Dude is in peak physical condition, but he's also going to turn 35 next year, and while I love the guy....I loved him more for this year than future years, and I even said as much before. Even despite his wrist injury, the dude has put up a very respectable line of .255 avg, .326 OBP, 21 doubles, 21 hr, 70 RBI in just 126 games...so in missing about 20 games, and roughly 80-100 AB's, he's put up that line, and you'd have to figure that with his current RBI and HR per AB, he'd be at 26 hr, 85 RBI, with about 16 games left. But he'll likely command a multi-year deal, and I cannot see the Cubs going older and signing him. You'd have to think that Jeff Baker can be a similar player to DeRosa, only he can't play the OF. Baker will be 29 next year, and he's put up a respectable line of 146 AB's, 10 doubles, 1 triple, 3 hr, 15 RBI with a .322 avg and .383 OBP. Translated over a full season, those numbers would equate to:
37 doubles, 4 triples, 11 hr, 56 RBI
While those aren't exactly DeRosa-esque, they're still very respectable numbers for a versatile player that can play 1B, 2B, and 3B in a pinch.
I think we need to put an end to the days where we go after veteran "stopgap" players, and just throw in rookies to see what they can do, and/or make trades for guys that are 24-28 years old that are either blocked at the MLB level, or need a change of scenery. I waffled on this earlier in the season when I wanted Freddy Sanchez and others, but I think we need to stay away from those type of players. As I said last night, the list of guys I'd pursue in the offseason includes:
Chris Davis and Mitchell Moreland, Josh Fields, Blalock, Ankiel, Dunn, Wily Mo Pena (NOT as starter, but a 4th OF), Felipe Lopez, Crawford, Crosby, Holliday (extremely unlikely), Jason Bay (also unlikely), Lackey, Brett Myers, and Rafael Soriano
While I understand Ankiel, Holliday, Bay, Lackey, and Soriano will be 30 or 31 next season, I'd still consider them.
But even though these changes are abundantly clear and obvious to all of us, don't think for a moment that the Cubs, under the direction of Hendry will be proactive this offseason. Has he ever been proactive?!? Exactly...so, what do you think will change under his 9th full season at the helm. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING will change. Here are more Cub-like moves I think we'll see this offseason:
1)Cubs give Grabow 3 yr, $10 million deal
2)Cubs decline arbitration on Harden (bank on it...it'd be a so Cub-like move to neglect trading him to the Twins in favor of draft picks, only to NOT do the prudent thing and offer arbitration)
3)Cubs sign Gregg Zaun
4)Cubs sign Eric Hinske
5)Cubs sign one of Jamey Carroll/Counsell/Loretta
6)Cubs sign one of Marlon Byrd/Mike Cameron/Podsednik
7)Cubs sign JJ Putz to incentive-laden deal
8)Cubs sign Octavio Dotel
Those are EXACTLY the type of Hendry moves that we've seen, haven't we?!? We haven't seen the Boston Red Sox type of proactive moves...even the Yankees type of moves. Hendry just doesn't think ahead like that, because he's incapable of any type of rational thought it seems...overvaluing our prospects to the point where he either can't get anything out of them due to Rule 5, or constant optioning up and down until they lose all options and/or trade value from ineffectiveness...Or, he doesn't bring them up at the right time (ie.-Jake Fox this year). He also doles out contracts to multiple guys coming off career years, and the results have been disastrous. In fact, the ONLY 2 signings that were "sure things" that he's made were ARAM and Zambrano...and while I understand most on here think Zambrano should go, he really is the mark of consistency as a starter in terms of ERA and IP over the course of his career...problem is, he's paid like an ace, and is nowhere near ace material.
In order to win next year, we'll have to jettison nearly every 30+year old player that we have. I say that, because nearly every single one of them will be worse next year than they were this year. Lee, Theriot, Soriano, Fukudome, and Bradley, head the list of players that have to go. While I love Theriot's hustle, his main value is at shortstop, and he simply lacks the range to be playing there next year, costing the team several games this year with his poor defense/range. If you move him to 2B in favor of more offensive oriented guys like Baker, or even (gulp...) Fontenot, then you're actually making 2B weaker. When there are other options out there to be signed/traded for at 2B like Felipe Lopez, Dan Uggla, etc., then you can see why it's important to maximize whatever value Theriot has right now as a shortstop, because it's far greater than his value as a second baseman. As for Soriano, Fukudome, and Bradley are concerned, we'll pretty much be able to select from the following guys, and probably receive better production overall (and defense in some cases):
Fox, Fuld, Hoffpauir (option #1)
Snyder, Adduci, Colvin (option #2)
Jackson, Campana, Burke (option #3)
*and these are just internal options...If you start thinking about very feasible outfields like:
Fox, Ankiel, Abreu...or Fox, Ankiel, Hoffpauir, or Fox, Ankiel, Colvin, then you begin to see that realistically, Fox could hit 25+hr, 85+RBI, which would basically negate the need for Soriano, who would only (possibly) best Fox's home run total if anything. Then, you move to CF, and in Ankiel's worst season (this year) thus far, he's been injured a lot, and still has 11 hr, 37 RBI in just 347 AB's. Fukudome? 11 hr, 52 RBI in 453 AB's. So, if Ankiel stays healthy next season, it's reasonable to assume that he'll get you more than 11 hr, 58 RBI (which happens to equal Fukudome's highest output in both categories). Then, you move to RF, and Bradley has just 12 hr, 40 RBI in 393 AB's, and has NEVER had more than 22 hr, 77 RBI in any season. (just FYI, in only 120 games last season, Ankiel had 25 hr, 71 RBI). But, internally, pretty much anyone we throw out there could best his stats from this year. If you really wanted to blow his production out of the water though, you'd sign the older Abreu in spite of the fact he'll be 36 next year. This year, he has 27 doubles, 13 hr, 96 RBI, 29 SB, and 89 walks vs 96 K's. So, while his power is less than his usual 20 hr, Abreu was NEVER a very powerful player, (which translates well as a player ages), but he was more of a line drive, OBP and average oriented player that drove in a lot of runs. He might hit 13-15 hr next year, but he'll get around 100 RBI and still hit .300+ with close to a .400+OBP.
I think if you were to completely turn over our OF with guys like that, we'd INSTANTLY be better offensively.
I just get the distinct feeling that Hendry is delusional, and will NOT make changes to this decrepit offense.
Aaron, your 'Cub-like moves' are dead-on and ones I've been concerned about them making. Just reactions ...
Regarding Hendry...I was thinking about that also...I don't think he can turn over 40% with all the guaranteed contracts...I'd love to a fly on the wall when Ricketts talks to him about the gameplan going forward.
Aaron,
Hendry's win/loss record in trades I agree with....As well as the need to get younger.
I think the real question in the back of everyone's minds...is what is Ricketts true game plan going forward.
As a businessman buying a new business...
one usually does not project true strategy until you have control...lest the natives get restless and do more damage. (In Hendry's case, he was trying to improve the team and set it back several years...so who knows)?
While outwardly projecting Kenney and Hendry staying on...If he has any type
of brain...he has to be aware of current
management's failings...and will act.
As JimK said yesterday...he really hopes
Kenny and Hendry are set out to pasture somewhere...I'm all for that.
I'm pretty sure Ricketts will have some of his own people in place soon...let's hope so before JH does more damage.
OUR WORLD SERIES BEGINS SHORTLY AFTER
THE WORLD SERIES...WHEN RICKETTS TAKES CONTROL.
I'll be fascinated to watch.