Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Dodgers - 08/20/09

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Game One Hundred-Nineteen: Cubs (61-57) vs. Dodgers (71-50)
Game Time - 9:10pm C.T.
Coverage - TV: WGN TV - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 188
Location - Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles

Tom Gorzelanny (5-2, 5.24/1.16) vs. Jeff Weaver (5-4, 3.71/1.44)

According to Jim Hendry, "There has to be a sense of urgency" for the Chicago Cubs. They enter play tonight six games back of the St. Louis Cardinals in the Central Division. While Alfonso Soriano's comments led most to think he was conceding the division to the Cardinals and will shoot for the Wild Card instead, either road to the post season will be very difficult for Lou Piniella's crew at this point.

The Cubs will have to play consistent ball for the remainder of the year, something they have not done this season, if they want to reach their goal of the post season ... as well as receive a lot of help. Rich Harden made a good first step on Wednesday night but the Cubs will face a far superior team for the next four games to the one that took two of three from them in San Diego.

For as good as the Dodgers have been this season, their starting pitching has struggled of late. They signed Vicente Padilla to a minor league deal on Wednesday, the same day they put Hiroki Kuroda on the DL. Kuroda was supposed to start tonight's game but was hit in the head last Saturday on a comebacker to the mound. Wednesday he's was placed on the DL with post-concussion syndrome. The Dodgers were considering bringing up Scott Elbert for tonight's start but decided to go with Jeff Weaver.

The Cubs and Dodgers split the four-game series in Wrigley back at the end of May. The Dodgers were without Manny Ramirez at the time, he was serving a suspension for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.

In other news ... Carlos Zambrano will pitch for the Peoria Chiefs tonight in a rehab start. Zambrano will re-join the Cubs on Tuesday, if all goes as planned. Big Z will pitch the opener of the three-game series against the Washington Nationals ... at Wrigley Field.

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Tonight it all begins with Tom Gorzelanny as the Cubs try to beat one of the best in the Senior Circuit ... and keep pace in the Central Division.

Tom Gorzelanny will make his fourth start as a Chicago Cub tonight. In his first three, Gorzelanny has been very good, awful and adequate. Lou Piniella needs somewhere between very good and adequate from Gorzelanny tonight.

Gorzelanny beat his former team in his last outing. He allowed one run on three hits in five innings to the Pirates with three walks and a season-high eight strikeouts. As a Cub, Gorzelanny is 2-1 with a 5.27 ERA and a 1.17 WHIP.

Tonight will be Gorzelanny's third career start against the Dodgers. He is 1-0 in three career appearances, two starts, with a 5.93 ERA and a 1.39 WHIP ... at Dodger Stadium, 1-0 in two games, one start, with a 7.71 ERA and a 1.43 WHIP.

This will be Tom Gorzelanny's first game against the Dodgers this season. He last faced the Dodgers on June 3, 2007. Gorzelanny received a no decision in a 5-4 Pirates loss. Gorzelanny allowed three runs on seven hits in 6 2/3 innings.

  • Brad Ausmus - 4-for-8 with 2 doubles and 2 walks
  • Andre Either - 1-for-3 with a double
  • Rafael Furcal - 3-for-6
  • Orlando Hudson - 1-for-8 with 2 walks
  • Mark Loretta - 3-for-5 with a double
  • Russell Martin - 2-for-5 with a walk
  • Juan Pierre - 1-for-10

Jeff Weaver has been the long-man out of Joe Torre's bullpen for the most part this season. Tonight will be his seventh start of the year ... and his second in a row. Weaver pitched the first three innings of the game on August 12 in San Francisco. The Giants managed only two hits and no runs against Weaver with two walks and three strikeouts.

Weaver is 2-0 in 11 games, three starts, at Dodger Stadium this season with a 3.11 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP ... and has not allowed an earned run in this last two games (six innings total against the Braves and Giants).

The Cubs have never beaten Jeff Weaver. He is 2-0 in eight career appearances, five starts, with a 4.82 ERA and a 1.55 WHIP.

  • Milton Bradley - 4-for-13 with a double and a triple
  • Mike Fontenot - 1-for-3 with a triple and a walk
  • Koyie Hill - 2-for-5 with a double and a walk
  • Derrek Lee - 1-for-11 with a double
  • Aaron Miles - 6-for-15 with 2 doubles
  • Aramis Ramirez - 2-for-14 with 2 walks
  • Alfonso Soriano - 4-for-7 with a double and a triple
  • Geovany Soto - no official at bat, 2 walks
  • Ryan Theriot - no official at bat, one walk

Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....

  • Dorasaga

    Duas, "what do you want me to do?"



    I'll play Lou here: "I got a 500 ballclub. We'll lose half of the season. And if we lose them to a stronger ballclub, so be it. We ain't a Cardinals team. We can't expect ourselves almost swept the Dodgers."



    The Cardinals won 5 out of 7 games against the winniest National League team (71 wins, 58.7%). They only lost one game in each of their two series. They could only be beaten by the Phillies.



    This is a food chain, my friend. We are at the lower middle tier. We are the small stripers who feed on the little bugs and planktons in the ocean, while the big tunas eat us.



    So be it.

  • Duas

    106 comments upto the Grandslam

    8 comments since the Grandslam



    Its safe to say that most people here have given up not only on this game, but the season

  • Patrick

    I'm sorry to say but I've finally given up hope on this season. I've tried to remain as optimistic as possible but this is the end. They're gonna be 6 out in the WC where there are 4 teams ahead of us which now seems unlikely go and win. We're 7 out from a great Cardinals ball club which never seems to lose. We have a whole bundle of guys who have underachieved miserably (Soriano, Bradley, Soto, Marmol, etc.), this year and have really hurt us down the stretch. I hope we see more of what Fuld and Fox, whom I think should compete to start in left next season, can do before this season is over and maybe some more young guns when the roster expands in September. I hope this offseason we trade Soriano for whatever they offer us (heck maybe we should just hand him over to the Yankees and hope they take him), re-sign Rich Harden for the long term, re-sign Baker (or maybe Hudson if the dodgers don;t extend him), resign Reed Johnson as he's been great for us, say goodbye to 'Give it up Gregg', sign a quality closer (Fenando Rodney perhaps?) maybe get another quality starter to add to the rotation (Maybe wishful thinking but Roy Holladay is out there and with new ownership we could afford it) and sign/trade for someone who will be a leader in the clubhouse who will give them that desire to win (Mark Derosa anyone?). I think Bradley should stay because I truly believe he will turn it around next year, and I hope Lilly stays to keep the rotation in tact even though he's in his last year. Ramirez will recover from his injury and even though Lee won't match this seasons #'s he will at least be good enough to be somewhat of a force. I like our chances if we make those moves and bring in that team opening day next year and will be expecting much better than their play this year.

    I'm not saying I won't cheer for them, far from it in fact, but I've risen the white flag ended the season long suffering. They just don't have what it takes to compete. No talent, no leader no desire.

  • Baron

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JoI1S1HMso



    Russell Martin's 2nd best career stats --- sure enough against the Chicago Cubs.... and we intentionally walked Loney to get to him just because he is right-handed





  • Baron

    oops wrong link



    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7628/splits;_ylt=AgDP5H9BhLHlk9TRda.xDW2FCLcF





    though some of you guys might want to watch the first one.... It is my first love... and the only sport I like more than baseball.



    Cheers!

  • Boseph Heyden

    I would not call this a "good outing". He last five innings and threw over 80 pitches. He earned the loss, but he should've got better run support.



    If this were a better team, I'd expect a better effort. As is, this is pretty much what I expected.

  • Rob

    umm..with the season being over for the Cubs shouldn't Ramirez be shelved so he can start resting that shoulder or have surgery so he's good and ready for spring training.



    and shouldn't the Cubs put Soto on the shelf so he can start his super improved fitness routine and be ready for spring training.



    ditto for Z



    I hope the Cubs make some good Sept 1 call ups to do auditions for next year

  • Mark

    oh yeah, Martin has only 3 f-ing homers all f-ing year. Man do we suck!

  • Mark

    Why the F do you leave Guzman in when he gives upo 2 solid hits in a tied ballgame? Then, the bunt play was muffed. WTF? You take him out, if nobody is warming up, then you make 2 LOOOONNNNGGG visits to the mound. It's like they are trying to lose.

  • CubsfaninBama

    Seriously y'all...when is our management going to finally realize we are going nowhere this year and let some of our young guys play? Don't we need to see what we have for next year? Soriano needs to be benched for the rest of the year, Fox needs to play, Hoffpauir needs to be called up in September and play, Fuld needs playing time. I mean we have to see what we have to work with for next year sometime! And this year is over with before we even made it to September!

  • nick

    And yet another good outing by our starting pitchers, wasted!

  • nick

    Dodgers have bases loaded one out, they hit a grand slam. We have bases loaded one out, our "big" bat swings at three pitches three feet outside.

  • Neil

    Nick...my thoughts exactly.

  • Baron

    Cardinals thwacking the Padres 5-1 in the 7th inning, meanwhile!!!

  • Duas

    Did you expect anything else?

  • Baron

    they break my heart every year... sigh!!

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    And that would sum up the Cubs season....



    SLAMMED....

  • SuzyS

    Grand Slam...Angel Guzman? What happened?



    On that note boys...good night...it's not worth staying up for.

  • nick

    Sigh.

  • Baron

    CCO's favorite retort..



    SPEECHLESS??????

  • Baron

    said it before and will again....Manny is the best right hand hitter I've seen in my 29 years of living.

  • SuzyS

    Sometimes I wonder if Lou is purposely trying to tank us.

  • Baron

    I've had some shitty relationships.... but this Cubs team has done a better number on me than most.... I'm almost beat silly!

  • Neil

    Horrible decision by Piniella. Should have left in Gorzelanny ... same result.

  • Patrick

    LOU should be FIRED!!!!Why in the $%$#$@^ world is Aaron Miles hitting?!?!? Lou must be in some coma. Ryno for manager!!

  • Baron

    Aaron Miles.....



    I have 20 words that I'm not gonna say here..... i'm just going to bite my pillow instead!

  • nick

    He should have just let Gorzo bat.

  • SuzyS

    Miles? Miles? What is Lou doing?



    Where's Fox or Fuld?

  • Neil

    Why is Aaron Miles pinch hitting? Would do better leaving in Gorzelanny.

  • nick

    Miles, seriously!!?? WTF LOU?

  • Baron

    nice walk Koyie... i like crow straight up dipped in Whiskey!

  • SuzyS

    I can't watch Soriano anymore...I'll have to take a sabbatical from the Cubs

    until he's outta here...

    I like that...Weaver let's Soriano just get wood on the ball...and Torre pulls

    him.

    I think I liked watching Todd Hundley better.

  • Baron

    Soriano is worthless scum 0-3 against jeff weaver... good luck against Billingsley etc

  • nick

    Well at least he go Dome over. ugh

  • nick

    man, I cannot type tonight.

  • Baron

    OFFENSE OFFENSE OFFENSE OFFENSE

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Agreed on the defense for sure...we talked about Henry on the Blog Talk after your call....



    Offense? I think they are both awful. Last year Hank White had a career year...this year back to his horrible numbers.



    Koyie career .206



    Blanco career .227 (with the help of his .292 last year)

  • Baron

    Gorzelany like most of our starters has been STELLAR!



    You'll never find me dissing our rotation... I think its just superb..!!!



    great Job!

  • nick

    Yea, we coulnd't have asked more out of our staff. It just sucks our offense couldn't help them out. Wells would have at least two more wins to him record.

  • nick

    Man Gorzo has really settled down, time to get him some run support!

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Neil...



    I'm searching itunes as you referred me about last nights game....Ive never used itunes for other than songs...can you help locate the game when you have a chance..

  • Neil

    Joe, let me know if this helps...



    http://mlbsupport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11052



    Look at the second topic down

  • Baron

    Henry Blanco is a better defensive and offensive catcher!!

  • Baron

    Koyie Hill would never backup Joe Mauer, Victor Martinez, Jason Varitek or Jorge Posda....... thats fer SURE!

  • Baron

    Hill Defense --- it's .993... which is nothing super special!!!



    He is a career .208 hitter and a mediocre catcher!

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    I think we all would love FOX in there but that isnt happening....so would you rather have Soto? We know the Cubs arent going to acquire anyone else this year. I dont think any of us are rooting for Hill to be our catcher next year.

  • Baron

    Hank White Brother Joe!!!



    thats who....

  • Baron

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/c/league/nl/qualified/false





    Koyie Hill ranks 35th out of 40 in offense for catchers in the NL





  • nick

    Hill isn't in there for his offense, he is simply in there for his defense and the way he handles the staff. During that stretch where he caught 26 in a row we were something like 16-10. Any offense he gives is a bonus to what he gives behind the dish. I'll take him over Soto right now, that is for sure.

  • SuzyS

    Nick...I'm with you on both counts...Manny's hair and Hills

    heart/defense.



    But Manny has always had horrible hair...

    Maybe it's a SAMSON thing for him.

  • nick

    That could be Suzy. I sure thought once he was traded to the the Dodgers Torre was going to make him cut it.

  • nick

    I don't know about anyone else, but I absolutely cannot stand Manny's hair, get a dang hair cut!

  • Baron

    Also... enough ass kissing of Koyie Hill...



    He makes Paul Bako look like Mickey Mantle at the plate.... dude has a .628 OPS (which is WOEFUL).... 80% of our starting rotation hits better than him....



    To keep him in the lineup, he better be throwing runners out from the knees

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Nobody is on the Hill can hit bandwagon....but given our record with him in the line up..thats what we are looking at. Plus he has more heart than Soto.



    Although for the record in the last month Hill is hitting a decent .277 and in the last two weeks he's hit .368. I'm just sayin.

  • SuzyS

    I just don't understand why Lou won't pull Soriano...He's killing us...and has all season.



    Any manager worth his salt would have pulled him...just on the basis of his last AB.



    FOX or FULD would at least give you good AB's.

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    This really shows how much money we blew on Soriano. His contract was the 10th largest in MLB history. Only 8 other players have ever recieved more.



    1. Alex Rodriguez - New York Yankees - 10 years (2008-2017) - $275,000,000



    2. Alex Rodriguez - Texas Rangers - 10 years (2001-2010) - $252,000,000



    3. Derek Jeter - New York Yankees - 10 years (2001-2010) - $189,000,000



    4. Mark Teixeira - New York Yankees - 8 years (2009-2016) - $180,000,000



    5. CC Sabathia - New York Yankees - 7 years (2008-2014) - $161,000,000



    6. Manny Ramírez - Boston Red Sox - 8 years (2001-2008) - $160,000,000



    7. Miguel Cabrera - Detroit Tigers - 8 years (2008-2015) - $152,300,000



    8. Todd Helton - Colorado Rockies - 11 years (2001-2011) - $151,500,000



    9. Johan Santana - New York Mets - 6 years (2008-2013) - $137,500,000



    10. Alfonso Soriano - Chicago Cubs - 8 years (2007-2014) - $136,000,000



    11. Vernon Wells - Toronto Blue Jays - 7 years (2008-2014) - $126,000,000



    12. Barry Zito - San Francisco Giants - 7 years (2007-2013) - $126,000,000



    13. Mike Hampton - Colorado Rockies - 8 years (2001-2008) - $121,000,000



    14. Jason Giambi - New York Yankees - 7 years (2002-2008) - $120,000,000



    15. Carlos Beltrán - New York Mets - 7 years (2005-2011) - $119,000,000



    16. Ken Griffey Jr. - Cincinnati Reds - 9 years (2000-2008) - $116,500,000



    17. Kevin Brown - Los Angeles Dodgers - 7 years (1999-2005) - $105,000,000



    18. Albert Pujols - St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years (2004-2010) - $100,000,000



    19. Carlos Lee - Houston Astros - 6 years (2007-2012) - $100,000,000

  • Neil

    Good inning for Gorzelanny after the bases were left loaded in the top of the inning.

  • nick

    What's up fellas,



    Soraino looked absolutely horrible at that at bat, man. It is time for Fox!



    Nice good shut down inning by Gorzo.

  • Baron

    I'll take a prime Sammy over Sorry-ano all day all night all week long!!

  • Baron

    It's time to swallow 50-60% of Soriano's contract and release him.....





    Jake Fox will give us WAY WAY more than this complete bum...



    and roids or not... please never insult Sammy by saying he is the same as Soriano....

  • Baron

    Suddenly Jeff Weaver looks like Cy Young..



    the same Jeff Weaver who has been rejected by 99% of teams he has been on... and Soriano is 0-2 with 1 AB whiffing on 3 pitches...





    Soriano is a disgrace!!!

  • Baron

    Soriano is the most worthless $$ for $$ Cub player I have seen in 15+ years as a fan

  • Neil

    Please, please bench Soriano. Horrible at bat.

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Those last two swings deserve a demotion to Iowa!!!



    BB with a great line...."If he were a lefty batter he would have been hit by the pitch"

  • Baron

    Soriano struck out on 3 pitches by Jeff the MOther fu#$# BUM PITCHER Weaver!!

  • Neil

    Intentional walk to Kosuke to face Soriano ... think Joe Torre knows how to pitch one of his old players?

  • Baron

    The INSULT to the $136 million man...





    people walking KOSUKUE WHIFFLEBALL fukudome in front of you...... what are you going to do about it?

  • Neil

    Good job by Aramis ... excellent baserunning by Lee and Ramirez, solid baseball.

  • Baron

    A-Ram is an F#$# star!!!





    Not that Jeff Weaver is Chad Billingsley or nuthin... just saying!!

  • Patrick

    Cubs need to score lots of runs tonight. Dodgers score a lot so we need to keep pace.

  • Baron

    OFFENSE OFFENSE OFFENSE

  • Baron

    Vin Scully grows tiresome after some time...



    It's like a robot with your Grandad's voice

  • Baron

    Jeff Baker and Fox should be in this lineup EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!





  • Baron

    OFFENSE OFFENSE!!!! PLEASE!!

  • Duas

    Is it possible for a hitter to be any hotter than Baker right now?

  • Rob

    I don't have access to it right now, but can someone tell me if Orlando Hudson is a free agent again after this season?

  • Neil

    Yes he is.

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Fukudome!!!!

  • Neil

    KOSUKE!!! #11!

  • SuzyS

    FUKO!!!

  • Baron

    Theriot is also an extremely incompetant defensive SS.. truth!

  • SuzyS

    Theriot belongs at second...and when you look at him straight up on skills...he is not impressive....but it's his heart

    and work ethic that makes him so good.

  • Neil

    Agreed...

  • Baron

    2nd that... he has more heart than anyone on the team.... He'd be on any team that wants to compete

  • Baron

    Gorzelany to Manny Ramirez....



    this is like Ivan Calderon throwing a right cross to Librado Andrade... -- this is for Agustin!

  • GaryLeeT

    What a shocking and unpredictable start to this game.

  • Neil

    I will be glad when Furcal is no longer in baseball.

  • Baron

    why is that, Neil?

  • Neil

    Not a fan, never have been.

  • Baron

    that is quite unlike you Neil...

  • Neil

    Baron, you are right. I should change by statement, not a fan since December of 2005.



    He is a good ballplayer, I have a long memory.

  • SuzyS

    Neil...is that when he screwed over the Cubs and went to the Dodgers?

  • cubbie12

    how many errors does gorzelanny have since joining the cubs?

  • Neil

    I think that was number two.

  • Baron

    Vin Scully is very monotone... but very excellent... I could listen to this all season long

  • Baron

    I think outside Z and Lilly, he is the 3rd most tradeable commodity.... cause he hits at or around .300 usuually..

  • cubbie12

    neil if there is such a stat doesnt it seem like the cubs lead the majors in warning track fly outs?

  • Baron

    this comment is going to go really unpopular....





    Theriot might great as a no.7 or 8 hitter since he hits about .290... but he has no speed, and no power.... and less than a .400 OBP... I fail to see what would make him a good leadoff hitter

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Zambrano Update:



    3 IP 3 Hits 0 BB 4 K



    Still in the game it appears

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    Final Line on Zambrano:



    5 IP 4 Hits 0 BB 5 K



    Nice to know he can dominate single A level players! Way to go Z!!



    I'd rather know....has he been working his abs??

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