From the Wire....DeRosa Traded to the Cardinals

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According to multiple reports, the Indians traded Mark DeRosa to the Cardinals for pitcher Chris Perez and a PTBNL late Saturday night.

The Cubs were rumored as late as Saturday as being interested in re-acquiring DeRosa from the Indians ...

The Cubs will face Mark DeRosa and his new team in the final series of the first half at Wrigley ... a four-game series from July 10-12 that concludes with a day-night doubleheader on Sunday, July 12.

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What a bunch of crap! I am more pissed about losing DeRosa now, than ever! I can not believe he is going to now be on the hated Cardinals. I guess it serves management right, but it sucks being a fan having to deal with a player that we all loved being on the hated Cardinals. I am SO PISSED right now! What's next, Kerry Wood to the Brewers?

Yeah. Hows that taste? Could not be half of what we felt when Jimmy went to the Cubs! Give me a break! Take your medicine. Your GM has been trying to build a Mets/Yankees team instead of a Cards/Twins/A's type of team. Letting MD go for Cancer Bradley should have been a fireable offense.
It's about TEAM. MD was the most important TEAM member the Cubs had.
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Sympathetic Cards Fan

so why did this happen?...here are some explanations:

1. Hendry never really had any intention of reacquiring

2. Hendry moved to slowly if he wanted to reacquire

3. Hendry overcoveted the prospects the Indians wanted

4. Hendry has absolutely no budget to work with and thus cannot make any moves at all

5. Hendry genuinely thinks this team is good enough to win if players would only get to their career averages

6. Hendry thinks having Ramirez is like trading for a big guy to put in your lineup without having to give up anything

7. In using logic #6 Hendry think that and that Ramirez will be back to his same awesome offensive self

8. Hendry is convinced that with Lee and Soto getting their swings back that someone like Dero isn't needed

9. Hendry wants until the all-star break to evaluate the team to see what real changes need to be made

10. Hendry needs to wait till later in July to see how it all comes together with Ramirez coming back and other players picking it up

11. Hendry thinks that Milton is finally going to turn it around and add the offense that we all know (sarcasm)that he's capable of

12. Hendry feels like this team may not have it this year and thus doesn't want to waste prospects on trades that may not help (though he would never admit this reason)

any others out there?

Cards win the division EASILY now...bank on it. They might even win it all, yet again.

DeRosa is awesome...versatile, and a leader. He'll be amazing, and I want Hendry FIRED for this....and for Bradley, and for Gregg....and for Miles....it's unbelievable.

You don't think this gives the Cards a HUGE psychological advantage now? My gosh, the Cubs players have to be beside themselves over the DeRosa vs Bradley debacle. No wonder this team is falling apart. With a GM at the helm that has no idea what he's doing....

man, you just saw this happening. Funny thing too, as I noted the other day, I called it that we'd need McGehee. Isn't it funny that my prediction in the offseason came true, and both the Cards and the Brewers have 2 players that would've been so key for us this year...but wait...sorry, they're right-handed....we can't have that can we? LOL...what a joke Hendry is, what a damn, f$$#ing joke, and I hate him....with a passion.

Thanks for ruining our team tubby.

Please, let's not make DeRo out to be some absolute stud. Don't get me wrong, he would have been great to get back and would have added some versatility for the struggling Cubs. It seems like Cubs fans are acting like the Cardinals just got the "missing piece." DeRo has always been a bit aboe average. That's it. It would have been nice to have him back, but let's not get to upset here.

Heard about this at work tonight/this morning..

So bummed.

That's okay. Fine. They have DeRosa.

Hendry needs to start looking around for some options. No one's running away with the division yet.

The Cardinals fired the first shot. Let's just make sure we fire the last.

Get on it Jim. I'm keeping faith in you. Please reward it.

If you have faith in Jim, you have a lot of faith.

The Cardinals gave up nothing do Derosa, they got him easy. No MLB ready pitcher for the starting rotation.

Maybe Hendry will do the same thing he did last year when the Brewers traded for Sabathia the next day he trade for Harden, Ijust hope he will counter the trade.

Besides being absolutely outraged over the DeRosa news, I love the snippets in today's Trib regarding Bradley...

"Derrick Lee contacted Bradley to let him know the team had his back". And "Bradley stated he has no real relationships in the clubhouse". Typical Cubs mentality. Let's trade one of our classiest clubhouse members for a member who's an outcast, and sucks on the field to-boot. Nice!

DeRo would have filled that 2nd base void perfectly. As stated in Ryno's #4, Hendry has no budget to work with. Any move would be so complicated and have to be so clearly visible for all teams to see, that there is no chance for him to swing an impact player under the radar. The Cubs had the players to trade for DeRosa, they just could not pick up his salary. They way I see it, moving Harden is the only viable way to gain working capital.

it's time to call a spade a spade...

Hendry has failed. Give him a one way ticket to baseball hell (pittsburgh).

Blow up this team (fire sale) while we can still get value for some of them. It's time to rebuild. If we do not it only delays the inevitable. This team can not win with the inconsistent, streaky players it has been built around

And most importantly… pray to your god that ownership can talk Steve Stone into rebuilding this organization.

Even though the Cubs traded Dero, you all acting like we got nothing, i think that at least one of those prospects will bethe real deal.

Look at John Gaub: 3-1 2.83 with 40 K's to 17 BB's in 28.2 innings.

The Cubs have some hidden gems in there system.

This is just devastating. Anyone but the Cardinals or Brewers. The only thing I can hope for is when the the Brewers got Sabathia last year, we responded and got Harden. I know this years budget is different but maybe JH can pull something off before the deadline. Has there been any updates on when this whole ownership situation will be settled?

Kind of like the baseball Gods
extracting payment for 97 wins
last year...Almost everything that could go wrong has...this season.
Starting with Hendry's non-performing moves/key injuries/and now a rub your face in it trade....hmmmm

You can't help but laugh as one of the numerous blunders made by GM Hendry during the offseason comes back to bite us all on our collective rear ends. I wonder what the odds are that he plays an integral part in the Cards winning the pennant this year?

The big reason this trade sucks more, and I mentioned this in the last thread, isn't that DeRosa is going to win games for the Cardinals...he might, but not a lot by himself...it's that he just gave Albert Pujols all the help he needed. Think about it: who on the Cardinals struck fear into anyone's heart outside of Pujols? Pujols is killing pitchers right now, but the most damage he could do was drive in four runs. The rest of the team was very iffy. With DeRosa, they add consistency. All LaRussa needs to do is separate Pujols and DeRosa just enough where DeRosa can drive anyone in that Pujols couldn't, and they've just automatically doubled their offensive output.

This is a slightly more potent version of the Pujols/Rolens combo from a while back. And players have a reason to be scared of it.

Jesus, it Mark DeRosa, not Barry Bonds. Get over it. Teams that are good make trades.

WE NEEDED AN F-ING LEFT HANDED BAT. THATS WHY HE WAS TRADED.

Don't give up on Bradley, if he comes around, all you see-saw-ers will start praising him and the good job Hendry did. At this point none of you can celebrate if we make the playoffs. Your short sightedness is incredible to me.

I agree with you Austin. Keep the faith! GO CUBS!

No, we really didn't need a lefty bat. We needed one for that particular series against the Dodgers, but we still won 90+ games. When you do that, you don't NEED anything.

Ryno....I would say your reason #12 is the most likely why JH didn't acquire DeRo--followed by #10.

#12: Team may not have it this year--so don't waste prospects. As poorly as some decisions have turned out, JH didn't just fall off of a turnip truck--and he doesn't call the fouth grade, "My senior year". I think that it didn't take long after Aram's DL and Bradley's dismal performance for JH and Lou to acknowledge (privately) that "We are in deep doo doo".

#10 is, more a less, a precurser to #12. Meaning, let's see if a couple of guys really pick it up, and Aram picks up where he left off.

I think I mentioned at the start of the season why the Cards could be serious contenders. The reason stated was that Wainright and Carpenter, two top of the order guys could easily go from a dozen wins in 2008 to 25 in 2009. Carpenter won only once in 2008, but his health seemed to be on the mend. The Cards won (I think) 88 games in 2008. While Lose probably drops from 15 wins to 10 or 11, the pickup for W and C gets the Cards into the mid 90's. Now, DeRo becomes a big help too. I'm with Aaron that the Cards are the (likely) winners in the Central.

Since management is responsible for results, JH will be known this year for making some risky bets and rolling snake eyes. He can atone if he manages to execute the Zambrano and Soriano trades I outlined yesterday.

In baseball, there is a difference between making risky bets and betting the farm. To JH's credit, the farm is pretty much intact and, in fact, enhanced. So JH's one year, 2009, "all in" (after the big spending that started in 2006) now likely becomes "Seller Mode and Grow Your Own."

JimK,

I absolutely agree with you on all points.

Do you remember, I also called this one too, earlier this year? I said DeRo would be traded to the Cards or Brewers, and whomever landed him, would win the pennant.

Hendry definitely rolled snake eyes, and the appropriate thing to do, given the $140 million budget is to fire him after the season. He MUST be held accountable, as we'd be the laughing stock of the league (not only for missing the playoffs this year...but also for not firing the conductor of this ill-fated orchestra).

Hendry can atone for this by finding a way to rid himself of Bradley, Gregg, Miles, and even Soriano.

If, by any chance we fall 10 games out by the All-Star break, any reasonable GM in the league would start talking firesale, especially with the payroll we have.

Almost certain to go are all players without no-trade clauses (except for most ones in their mid-twenties): Theriot, Fontenot, Patton, Lilly, Freel, Miles, Harden, K Hill, Gregg, and now, you have to think Marmol even might be on the block. On the fence would be Hoffpauir, Fox, Guzman, Ascanio, and Hart (though with all 4 you'd have to think they would be the building blocks after everyone else is traded). Also, You'd have to think that if we're that far out, and we had a small window of opportunity to be competitive, then even veterans like Z, Dempster, Fukudome, Lee, and Soriano would probably waive their no-trades.

I would be lying if I didn't say losing Z would be difficult to swallow, as I feel if he matures mentally, that he definitely has "ace" material...and if you trade him, then you have to start over.

I guess if had to start over, and only had Z, Ascanio, Guzman, Marshall, Fox, Hoffpauir, Soto and ARAM, you'd probably have a roster like this:

C-Soto
1B-Hoffpauir
2B-Thomas/Camp
SS-Barney
3B-ARAM
LF-Fox
CF-Fuld
RF-trade for big bat (at least this way you'd have 2 proven power hitters in ARAM and the trade)

Rotation:
Z, Wells, Hart, Marshall, Samardzija

Pen-Ascanio, Guzman, then anything goes

the only thing that will make this season bearable so far is if we get a cubbie win today.

End result Cards got Derosa. We got miles. Cubs voluntarily did this. Card nation is laughing their butts off today.

With that said. Its just Derosa. Keep things in perspective guys.

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