From First to Third with a Cubs Win - Cubs 3 Twins 2

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Game Sixty - Cubs 3 Twins 2
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wflag.jpgFor all of his troubles early in the season, Derrek Lee has come on of late and led his team to a much-needed win on Sunday. Derrek Lee recorded two of the Cubs eight hits and scored two of their three runs ... and it was Lee's hustle in the ninth that was the difference in the game.

Derrek Lee reached on a one-out single to left on a 1-0 pitch from Jesse Crain. Geovany Soto, who had a big game at the plate, followed with a single to left on a 0-1 pitch. The Twins were playing no doubles and Lee took advantage of Delmon Young being deep in left field. Lee did not hesitate around second and slid into third with the would-be go winning run. Soto followed Lee's lead and advanced to second on Young's throw to third ... Lee pumped his fist emphatically as he was called safe.

The Twins intentionally walked Mike Fontenot to load the bases but Ryan Theriot (2-for-3 with a sacrifice fly and two RBI) delivered his second RBI of the game, a single to right that plated Lee with the game winner. The Cubs celebrated near first base as the home crowd sang the victory song.

Derrek Lee (2-for-4 with two runs scored) extended his hitting streak to 13 games in the third inning and scored the Cubs first run on a sacrifice fly to right by Ryan Theriot in the second inning ... Lee has reached base safely in 23 straight. Geovany Soto hit two doubles and drove in a run in a 3-for-4 afternoon. For as bad as Lee and Soto started their seasons, both have started producing of late. Lee is 17-for-46 in June with two doubles and two home runs (.370/.463/.548) while Soto is hitting over .280 since mid-May with two home runs and four doubles.

Ted Lilly turned in another excellent outing. Lilly made only two mistakes in his 7 2/3 innings of work, and both were to Carlos Gomez with two outs. The Twins' centerfielder reached on a two-out double in the second, stole third and scored on a bunt single by Nick Punto. Gomez then tied the game with two outs in the sixth with his first home run of the season.

Ted Lilly left with the game tied and two on with two out in the eighth after surrendering two runs on nine hits, without a walk and six strikeouts on the afternoon.

Carlos Marmol retired Carlos Gomez on a foul out on a 3-2 pitch to end the eighth ... and after issuing back-to-back one-out walks in the ninth, retired Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau to end the ninth inning. After struggling with his command earlier in the inning, Marmol appeared to gain confidence after he retired Joe Mauer. Marmol quickly got ahead of Morneau and induced an inning ending ground out to second base.

Milton Bradley (1-for-4 with a double and a run scored) doubled and scored the Cubs' second run in the fourth inning. Bradley advanced to third on a productive groundout by Derrek Lee and scored on Soto's second double of the afternoon. Bradley contributed to a Cubs' win and ended his weekend on a positive note.

On the day the Cubs relieved Gerald Perry of his duties as hitting coach, the Cubs found a way to win a game without a home run. The Cubs strung together three hits in the ninth and hit with runners in scoring position ... 2-for-7 with a sacrifice fly on the afternoon.

As Derrek Lee said following the game, Sunday was a big win for the Chicago Cubs ...

Sunday's win kept the Cubs from dropping to a season-low two games under .500 and for the 12th time this year they are at the break-even point. After 60 games, the Cubs are 30-30 and have a lot work to do. The Cubs are not scoring and in their last five games have plated only nine runs. Alfonso Soriano is not hitting or driving the ball and finished the series 1-for-12 with a run scored and four strikeouts. While Kosuke Fukudome's line does not look much better, the wind kept both of the balls Fukudome hit into the outfield on Sunday in the park.

The Twins are a very good team, especially in Interleague action. Entering play on Sunday, they were 46-13 against the NL since 2006. The Twins play the game the right way ... and that is because of their manager Ron Gardenhire. The Cubs out executed the Twins on Sunday and that was the difference in the game.

With the Cubs down 1-0, Derrek Lee led off the second with a single to left on a 3-1 pitch from Scott Baker. Geovany Soto doubled off the wall in left center on a 1-1 pitch ... Gomez came within inches of making a great catch on a ball the wind held in the yard. Mike Fontenot struck out swinging for the first out but Ryan Theriot hit a sacrifice fly into right that plated Lee with the tying run.

Aaron Miles (his days have to be numbered as a starter) grounded out to Baker on the first pitch to end the inning.

Milton Bradley was very aggressive at the plate all afternoon. He recorded only one hit, but it led to the Cubs second run of the game ... in his other three at bats, three pitches and three outs.

Bradley scorched a double down the right field line to start the fourth. Derrek Lee grounded out to Brendan Harris on a ball hit up the middle, but Bradley advanced to third on the productive out. With one out in the inning, Geovany Soto hit his second double of the game into right center ... Bradley scored with the Cubs first lead in a game since June 10. Mike Fontenot flied out and Ryan Theriot struck out to end the inning.

It might not have been pretty but the Cubs' manufactured a win when they needed it the most.

Box Score from Yahoo Sports

Many of the Cubs will spend Monday's off day with Ron Santo at his annual golf tournament before kicking off a three-game series at Wrigley on Tuesday against the White Sox. The Cubs open a string of 23 straight on Tuesday, that includes a double header ... Carlos Zambrano is slated to face John Danks in the series opener.

  • JimK

    Speaking of power hitting centerfielders and back up, may I ask where I went wrong in so judging Josh Reddick? And may I offer some substantial backup. I'll leave the judgment of whether I add anything here to others.



    The kid, Reddick, just turned 22 in February and was the 6th pick in the first round in 2007. In 2007, his line was .306-18-72. In 2008, at the age of 21 and 1 year out of junior college, Reddick traversed 3 levels, hit .311, had 19 dbls, 12 triples and 23 HR'/s. He had 34 walks and 82 SO's. He stole 14 bases. He did leave something to prove in 20 or 30 games at AA with a BA of about .200.



    This year in limited work, he has 6 HR's in 22 games--which likely gets to 40 or so if you are into projections. Most observers think he will channel his agressive hitting style to improve his OBP. But, everybody (almost) says that he is a top prospect.



    If the foregoing does not spell power hitting centerfielder, please explain. My guess is that a lot of people may have some regard for JimK's book on this one, and a guess is good enough for me. And speaking of research, mine was extensive, including five ratings articles (the worst was #5 in all lists with most at 4 and 1 at 3. (And we are talking the loaded Red Sox here.) I checked his stats and any indications of work ethics at all levels.



    As an aside, one service, Baseball America says, "Should Bay not be extended, Roddick could compete for a starting job in Boston in 2110. My mission in considering a Lilly trade, was to get a top lefty bat to team with Vitters in 2111 and a top, young, left handed pitcher--also about two year's away.

  • Aaron

    So I guess hitting 23 hr, 91 RBI between 3 levels (A-14 games, 0 hr, 9 RBI, high-A, 76 games, 17 hr, 57 RBI, AA-34 games, 6 hr, 25 RBI...but a .214 avg, .290 OBP in AA) must qualify as a "power hitter" in JimK's book.



    This year, in 22 games, he has 6 hr, 8 RBI, .277 avg, .340 OBP, 9 walks, 21 K's (last year, he had 34 walks vs 82 K's)...no thanks...if you crucify me for wanting Dunn, then take a look at who you're suggesting.



    Also, I think you're being very subjective in your criticism of my comments. From what I recall, almost nobody on here wanted Bradley when the others were available. HOWEVER, I NEVER suggested it was a majority wanting Dunn if you look at my post. I was suggesting that most wanted EITHER Dunn OR Ibanez, and after that it seemed to be either trade (Hermida and Jacobs were oft-mentioned, along with Teahen), Abreu, THEN Bradley....but you're fudging my comments yet again to smear me, and I take exception to that.



    Because, I, unlike yourself, try to back up every argument I have.



    You probably read in a publication that Reddick was a power hitter that we needed, but didn't research his stats...you might've. If you did, then it makes it look even worse for your case there. He'd be the equivalent of everything people have argued we DON'T need on here, which is average OBP, and a large K:BB discrepancy.



    I really take exception to you Jim...you've crossed the line on several occasions, and I let it go, and took the high road, but calling me Exaggeratin' Aaron? Are you kidding me?!? I back up everything. You don't. Just leave if you have nothing of substance to add (which you did before). The majority of posts I see from you on here are long, drawn out innuendos of different bloggers on here, like myself, where you don't even add anything to the conversation. The common theme seems to be you think you are holier than thou, which really isn't an inviting trait, and I hope you're not like that in person.

  • JimK

    Dave in STL...You are right that Ibanez has been even better than he was in Seattle. He would be a big plus now for the Cubs. I think the decider against Ibanez is that he is 37 now and his deal is for 3 and $31.5 mil. There is pretty wide-spread agreement that 37 year-olds don't usually maintain or get better--especially post PED's.





    I have to take exception to Exaggeratin' Aaron. I did a quick check of the postings around the time of the Bradley debate and signing, and it's just not true that Dunn made it into the 99% acceptable category (nor did Ibanez). In hindsight, Dunn still likely doesn't reach 60% acceptability--but I agree that he is putting up his expected offensive numbers.



    I also looked back to the late Fall 2006 days when the Trib and JH opened up the big contracts checkbook for the splurge that got us two Division titles. There was Aaron saying that he thought Carlos Lee might be a better option than Soriano. (Hooray for Aaron). He also said, "Soriano, Lee, Zito and ARAM...these are the guys we need." JH did resign Woodie and Aram and did sign Soriano. I'm not remembering if DeRo came about that time or not. JH did sign Lilly and not Zito, which I guess puts Hendry in the blind hog finds an occasional acorn category (again).



    Now, we may watch as a couple big contracts only go away in 2110 and two more in 2111. That would look a lot like re-building in 2110 and 2111. The Bradley gamble, sacrificing Wood and DeRo for that and covering $17 mil of built-in payroll increases, and moving Marquis for $5 mil may come to no cigar. Woodie got his $20 mil--which we couldn't handle and also make changes. My take is Gregg was a $5 mil, lesser, one and done to give Marmol, Guzman, Samardzija, et.al., a chance to grow into a late inning pen while still giving us a shot at the playoffs. It was all worth a shot. It isn't quite over, but it likely will be if we aren't 7 or 8 over .500 after 90 games.



    If a new owner wants to "re-load" instead of re-build, it will take some incredible contract manuvering re. a Soriano and/or a Bradley trade. I proposed two trades a few days ago. Aaron earlier mentioned moving Lilly, and that could make sense. I would like a deal to the Red Sox that got us lefty, power hitting CF, Josh Reddick (AA), LSP, Felix Doubront (AA) + a guy like OF Aaron Bates for Lilly and Jay Jackson or Chris Carpenter. The Red Sox may need a vet like Lilly to keep the Yanks at bay down the stretch.

  • Aaron

    Soriano and Bradley belong in the AL with the DH. In their 30's, both have HORRIBLE injury track records. Soriano began breaking down with leg injuries upon his arrival, rendering him useless in the OF. Bradley has always been injury prone, and best suited for the AL. Why didn't Hendry realize this? I can't fault Hendry for Soriano, because he really wasn't that injured before...but I can fault him for the ridiculous contract for a player whose prior numbers indicated he was wildly inconsistent and un-deserving of such a large deal. In that case, with Hendry losing out on Furcal the year before, it seemed that he was willing to do whatever was necessary to land the biggest name on the FA market (not necessarily the best fit...which would've been Carlos Lee).



    Fact is, unless Hendry is a genius....which we all know he's not...we're stuck with both of them for the next 3 years (counting this year), and Soriano for a few more years thereafter. Neither can be traded, and it's not just because their numbers suck ass....it's because their contracts are so utterly ridiculous, they're both injury prone right now, AND they both have no-trade clauses.



    Both had been with several different teams in a short period of time, and demanded no trade clauses. Soriano was with the Yankees-Rangers-Nationals, all within a couple of years, and wanted security. Same for Bradley with the A's-Dodgers-Padres-Rangers. Folks, there was a reason for them being with that many teams in a short span....they just didn't fit in.



    It looks like now, the only players that we can trade without any clauses in their contracts are the entire bullpen, Lilly, Marshall, Wells, Harden, Soto, K Hill, Fontenot, Theriot, Miles, Freel, Hoffpauir, and Johnson....



    Collectively, the pen, along with those guys, represent about $35 million



    That means we have roughly $100 million in unmovable contracts with the likes of Z, Dempster, Lee, ARAM, Soriano, Fukudome, and Bradley with no-trade clauses. If you look at the team, the biggest culprits to our problems come from Soriano, Fukudome, Lee (I don't even care if he's FINALLY hitting now...he still isn't an RBI/power threat whatsoever, and un-deserving of his $13 million/yr contract). Just between those 3, that's $43 million of unmovable contracts.



    Just imagine for a second what that would get you across the league.....Dunn, Ibanez, Hudson, DeRosa (get him back)=$28 million, a shut down closer---name any closer in the game, and we'd be able to afford him, =$38 million....and we'd still have $5 million left over to address 1B and the pen (assuming you didn't just throw DeRosa at 1B). With that type of lineup, we could just throw Johnson in at CF, or Fuld...or would've been able to keep Pie...Imagine this lineup:



    Hudson-2B

    Theriot-SS

    Dunn-LF

    ARAM-3B

    Ibanez-RF

    DeRosa-1B

    Fuld/Johnson-CF

    Soto-C



    By the way, DeRosa went yard yesterday against Chris Carpenter...a pitcher we couldn't even touch. He also is destroying everyone on our team in RBI's, and has more hr than everyone except Soriano, and trails him by like 3...So, yeah, Hendry's a genius.

  • SuzyS

    Aaron, Given that both Soriano and Bradley are swinging at air these days...it is easy to crucify Hendry.



    BUT...Aaron you have a blind side for Dunn like JH did for Bradley....On a team

    that already has Soriano...you cannot field Dunn and Soriano together...even when Soriano was productive...just too many KO's....end of story...give up the Ghost...Dunn is Done....just like DeRo/Ibanez/Wood/Pierre/Abreau...it's over.



    Look to the future now...I don't care about yesterday's game anymore...I want to know what we can do to make it better tomorrow.



    We have some major problems with this team...going forward. Let's put our heads together for a better Cubs team tomorrow.



    btw...JimK...I like your deal.

  • cc002600

    Aaron, what is your fascination with Dunn ? he's a bad player.



    Look at any team he's ever been on, they are always bad. He's the same type of player that Sorianao is. They are losing type players. The only difference is that Dunn walks. Other than that, they are identical. AWFUL.

  • SuzyS

    Look on the bright side...Hendry DID NOT

    sign Andruw Jones!!!!

  • waldo7239117

    I would rather have Lee at 1B than Derosa. Good baserunner, good glove and a smart baseball player who hits 285 wvery year and I am pretty sure he will get that this year.

  • ripsnorter

    Do we all agree that Soriano is awful this year? If so, then do we agree that we may be in for a lot of pain seeing that Soriano is in the 3rd year of an 8 year contract. And we all know that money determines who plays. This could get very painful.

  • Dave in STL

    Jim K, While appreciating the fact that Hendry passed on some underperforming talent this past off season, he did sign 1 that is underperforming, while passing on a guy that many on this site preferred, Raul Ibanez anyone? We'd be 8 games better right now if we had him as opposed to "Meltdown" Bradley.

  • Aaron

    Dave, I completely agree with you on that. I wasn't a fan of Ibanez's age (36), but 99% of us on here agreed to some degree that the rankings in terms of preference would be like this:



    #1: Dunn or Ibanez

    #2: Abreu

    #3: a trade for a young lefty slugger like Hermida, etc.

    #4: Bradley



    I mean, it wasn't even close...Bradley was Hendry's guy from the get-go when most of Cubs Nation, and members of the media thought Bradley was nowhere near what the Cubs needed. Hendry fell for him, hook, line, and sinker, and because of that, we're not only stuck with $10 million/year, but also can't trade his underperforming ass and volatile personality.



    If you don't think this guy has an effect on the outcome of our games...in a negative way...then how come we're 10-3 when he doesn't play? He sucks the life out of the club, and Hendry should pay dearly for that costly mistake with his job as soon as the new owner is installed.



    Some fans would like to point out players Hendry didn't go after that tanked as reasons for him to continue as GM, however, most of that is hearsay anyhow. Were we really interested in those guys anyway? Who knows? The only one we know for sure that he was after was Furcal, because he said so himself. The others are pure speculation.



    As for players that we could have gotten....ones that actually came out in the media, and said they wanted to be here, we know that Carlos Lee, Adam Dunn, Peavy, and Ibanez all wanted to be a part of our team.



    Lee's consistency was ditched in favor of Soriano's "promise". Dunn and Ibanez's consistencies were ditched in favor of Bradley's "promise", and the one smart move Hendry made in the offseason was NOT trading for Peavy. I commented the other day about how Hendry's been riding the fleecing of the Pirates for ARAM gravy train for far too long, and it's time he answered to some of his mistakes. You can go through his 40+ free agent acquisitions, and the only ones that turned out well for him were DeRosa and Lilly. You might be able to make a case for a few others that contributed for maybe one year....but the entire length of their deals? Probably not. DeRosa and Lilly were exceptions. Hendry is NOT a good GM. He's also a VERY dumb GM. The reasons are obvious. With countless numbers in front of him, suggesting he turn to other options, he went with his heart, which told him the likes of Soriano and Bradley, or Marquis would finally fulfill their promise, and he was dead wrong. Numbers don't lie...especially over the long run. There are rare exceptions with players fulfilling promise after switching teams, and being given full-time opportunities (DeRosa is a classic example), but for everyday players like Ibanez, Abreu, Dunn, Soriano, Carlos Lee, etc., the numbers are clear as day. Soriano and Bradley have rollercoaster-like numbers. Soriano one year might hit 25+hr, 70+RBI, then the very next, hit 40+, 100+RBI...you just never know what you'll get. Bradley's is even worse, and yet more consistent players got paid less elsewhere while we overpaid for these over-rated piles. It's ridiculous

  • cc002600

    Dunn is a bad player. I don't care how many HR's and RBI's he hits. There's way more to baseball than HR's / RBI's and this guy is not a good baseball player. sorry.



    He's a lefthanded Soriano, and how much do you like him ?



    Ibnanez would have been nice. or better yet, they should have stayed status quo. IMO, they should have kept Derosa, put Johnson in CF, and Fuku in RF, if he falters, use Hoffy. They have been much better off.



    And Abreu is not a great choice either. Not anymore.





  • Aaron

    Actually, compare these two stats, and you'll see how Dunn is better:



    Dunn (averages)

    .247 avg, .385 OBP, .519 SLG, 40 hr, 97 RBI, 115 walks, 180 K's (though the K's over the past 3 yrs have steadily declined, hovering around 160 K's now)

    RISP: .224, .414 OBP, 70 hr, 420 RBI, 329 walks vs 351 K's (and think of all the bad Reds teams he was a part of...he wasn't on the Yankees like Soriano was)



    Soriano (averages)

    .279 avg, .327 OBP, .515 SLG, 36 hr, 94 RBI, 41 walks, 146 K's

    RISP: .249, .324 OBP, 53 hr, 442 RBI, 124 walks, 265 K's



    Same player? Really?!? Dunn beats him in nearly every "good" offensive category, except average. He even beats him in K:BB ratio. Soriano has over 100 more K's than walks, while Dunn is at about 65...(42 last year). What, you say Dunn's defense is worse? Really!?? He had 7 last year. Soriano has averaged about 5 in his 3 seasons with us...6 in 2007, 5 in 2008, and 5 already this year



    No, sorry, I don't buy it that Dunn is the same player as Soriano. That's an insult to Dunn. I just spelled it all out for you too. Numbers do not lie. He's even more clutch than Soriano is with RISP. Soriano has struck out more than 140 times more than he's walked with RISP, while Dunn has just 22 more K's than walks with RISP. Surprising isn't it?

  • JimK

    Words to think about as we value our own certitude: Bob Brenley (the revered one by some here) during Sunday's game: "Performances, individually and team wise are not predictable with a high degree of certainty. That is why I often say, There is no such thing as a baseball expert." Thank you reverand for that reminder.



    In the Sears department store of life, baseball and sports generally are in the Toy Department. Emotionally, we can all make a lot more out of a few games or a season than that for a little while, but those experiences should not be detrimental to our and others well being.



    If you believe that anyone still supporting or believing in the Cubs is riddled with kool aid, your constaints on credible belief are way to restrictive. That said, it is true that, after 60 games, our chances to win the Central and the NLCS are much slimmer now than they were when we started the season. We are still even with the league, but other teams are better than that. Bradley and Soriano's lack of production and Aram's loss (not remedied) are likely fatal shortcomings in terms of reaching the post season.



    Whatever his shortcomings, JH didn't sign Furcal (.218-2-14) for 3 and $30 mil or trade too much for Peavy. You wonder why none of us resident genius's didn't remind JH to get the excellently performing, corner IF/OF Russell Branyon (.320-15-30) and Mark Scutaro (.298-5-29) from the bargain bin.



    Anyone who didn't say that JH should have waited until very late in the offseason to get Abreu and Hudson shouldn't be saying that we could have had them both for the price of Bradley. Abreu, Hudson and others were looking for multiple years and amounts outside the Cubs' budget when the Cubs made their post season moves.



    Some of the vaunted/cited exemplary organizations aren't as exemplary as may be suggested here. The Dodgers spent $47 mil on Jason Schmidt (JH passed), $40 mil on Andreu Jones, $44 mil on Pierre (JH passed), $30 mil on Furcal. Maybe Manny's $47 mil is a question raiser too. (The Dodgers have been productive on the farm.)



    While the Cubs' millstone contracts (Soriano, Bradley and Dome for the most part) are highly problematical) maybe one or two could be put into a highly creative deal or deals. My guess is that JH will make some attempts to do that within a few weeeks. With or without the Ricketts family, IMO, moving into a rebuilding mode is the most likely Cubs stategy once the team's 2009 fate is clear. DLee isn't going anywhere, and it will be interesting to see if we bid to keep Harden. (I would.)



    In the meantime, we still have a slim chance to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

  • SuzyS

    Jim, re Harden...depending on what other deals transpire to lighten the load...it makes more sense to let him go and give

    Samardzia or Wells a shot at the 5th slot next season....but that is so far away...it is hard to speculate...too many chances for other injuries/trades between now and then...But I would be really surprised if he is with the Cubs next season.

  • Gramps

    Nice win today. Brewers, Cardinals both lose. I am still believing! GO CUBS!

  • skeldor

    Lets tank the rest of his year so we can draft this player...lol we can't catch them but it looks like the Nationals will have another phenom to go with Stasburg





    http://www.lvrj.com/sports/48018907.html

  • skeldor

    Not to be a downer as the Cubs won today but the team drafted a guy in the 48th round that had not played baseball in 6 years since his Junior year in high school. Here is the link



    http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=954984

  • Mark

    You got to be f-ing kidding me!!!!! Typical CUBS!

    MAN O MAN!

  • SuzyS

    GREAT ARTICLE!!! Thanks...Fukodome's replacement??? At least he'll be cheap. lol...this should be brought to Jim Hendry and the mainstream media's attention!...Love to see his comments.

  • Baron

    Aaron Miles presence in the lineup is really weird. Honestly, I want someone to tell me he does SOMETHING, ANYTHING -- better than Neifi Perez...



    $5 to anyone who can answer this question.

  • ripsnorter

    Did you see Miles take that shot to the head when he misplayed that ball today?

  • SuzyS

    He earns more money.

  • Jim C (Tinley Park)

    A few thoughts...



    * That was a pimpy move firing gerald Perry. After two very good years of hitting, he gets bad? I don't think so.



    * I would be shocked if Lee accepted a trade.

  • ripsnorter

    If you have middle of the pack pitching, ie, you rank 5th or 6th or 7th in the NL in ERA, and you lead the league in runs scored, you are going to do fine.



    If you lead the league in pitching, as the Cubs currently lead MLB in pitching, and you are low in the league in offense, as the Cubs are 13th in a 16 team league, you are in trouble, just as the Cubs are in trouble.



    The Phils are 1st in offense, 15th in pitching, and have a better record than the Cubs.

  • SuzyS

    The converse is true...If we led the league in pitching...AND we ranked 5th,sixth or seventh in OFFENSE ...we would be leading our division....by far.



    How many additional runs would we need to be 10 - 0 for the last week and a half?...and mark my words carefully...if the Phillies pitching does not improve...they'll go nowhere in the playoffs.



    Remember the White Sox in 05? It wasn't

    there offense that won it...it was incredible pitching combined with just enough offense...but this debate gets us nowhere...WE NEED AN OFFENSE...if not we are in trouble....You can win 1-0...you can't win 0-0.

  • ripsnorter

    Phillies: only the Washington Nationals have a worse ERA in the NL. But the Phillies are #1 in their division with a record of 35-25: enough to lead the NL Central if they were in it. How do they do it? Dusty would tell you ya win with "pitching and defense." Bolderdash! The Phillies are #1 in the NL in offense. That's how you win.



    Oh how I wish JHendry and Lou Pinella could learn this lesson!

  • SuzyS

    If your pitchers give up 8 runs in the first inning...makes it tough on any offense....You need both...and in the playoffs...dominent pitching usually wins

    out against great offense...but to win consistantly...you still need AN OFFENSE.

  • Ricky

    I say trade Lee to the giants for Cain and then take Cain and package him with hoffpauir and trade them to the padres for Adrian Gonzalez.

  • bradleyboy

    i like that idea a lot

  • ripsnorter

    "Miles days have to be numbered at 2B."

    I can only pray as much. He's on a pace for .200 BA, 16 RBI and zero homers in 500 ABs. GET THIS GUY OUGHTAHERE!!!!

  • ripsnorter

    Cut Cotts.

    Launch L-O-U.

    Muster out Miles.

    Heave Hendry.

    Banish Bradley.

  • bradleyboy

    Why should the Cubs even consider trading a pretty good player for a pitcher when the staff is good as it is? I don't want Hoffpauir at first. The only way I make this move is if the Cubs somehow pick up Nick Johnson from the Nationals. Then you could just put him in D-Lee's place and all will be good.

  • Draven

    So, trade the one guy who is hitting for pitching that we don't need? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

  • Baron

    Matt Cain for D.Lee straight up! Put Hoffpauir in at 1B.....



    Z-Lilly-Harden-Dempster-Wells-Cain...



    can rest the dinged up guys occasionally and have unquestionably the best rotation in baseball....



    Do it HENDRY!!

  • waldo7239117

    I would do that first but that wont happen Cain is 9-1 and a low era this year. Future CY Yound award winner. I would not surprise if he won it, that means the Giants would have Cain, Zito, Johnson and Liceium as a CY award winneres on the pitching rotation.

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