Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Braves - 06/22/09

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Game Sixty-Six: Cubs (34-31) vs. Braves (32-36)
Game Time - 6:10pm C.T.
Coverage - TV: Comcast Sports Net - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 183
Location - Turner Field, Atlanta

Ryan Dempster (4-4, 3.92/1.28) vs. Javier Vazquez (4-6, 3.41/1.01)

Can the Cubs win five in a row? After splitting the rain-shortened series at the beginning of the month (1-1), Lou Piniella's crew will make a brief stop in Atlanta tonight on their way to Detroit for a three-game set that begins on Tuesday night. This is the first of four make-up games the Cubs already have on their schedule ... the other three are at Wrigley. The original pitching match-up on Wednesday, June 4 was Carlos Zambrano versus Jair Jurrjens and Nate McLouth was set to make his Brave debut.

Tonight is the first of four cities on a very difficult 10-game road trip. While the Cubs play three on the South Side starting on Friday, their next game at Wrigley is not until July 2 ... the opener of a four-game weekend series against the Brewers.

The Cubs will face the Braves in Chicago for three games (July 6 - July 8), so with four of their next 17 games against Atlanta they must win the season series against Bobby Cox and company. Two of the keys to beating the Braves: 1) Do not pitch to Chipper Jones with a base open and the game on the line 2) Do not throw Jeff Francoeur any fastballs ... or anything in the strike zone.

Lou Piniella is expected to be without Reed Johnson for the next few days. Johnson's back locked up on him Sunday. Also, Piniella said on Sunday that Ryan Theriot and Alfonso Soriano would not be in tonight's lineup and Jake Fox would get a start in one of the corner spots in the outfield. Look for Andres Blanco at short, Aaron Miles at second and Mike Fontenot at third ... also with Milton Bradley's career numbers against Javier Vazquez, it would be a good time to give Micah Hoffpauir a start in the outfield.

Larry Rothschild will not be with the Cubs tonight. He will be attending a family funeral and Lester Strode will serve as the Cubs' pitching coach. Ryan Dempster will not be with the team in Detroit and will fly back to Chicago after the game to tend to family business. Carlos Zambrano did not make the trip south to Atlanta, Big Z went from Chicago to Detroit to prepare for the opener of the three-game series on Tuesday.

The Cubs must improve on their 13-18 record away from Wrigley beginning tonight ... and it all starts with Ryan Dempster.

Ryan Dempster is coming off his fourth loss of the season. While Dempster did not pitch that well, he still turned in a quality start against the White Sox. Dempster struggled through six innings of work and allowed an alarming six walks. The White Sox managed only three runs on four hits because none of the walks came around to score.

The six walks was a season-high and Dempster must return to the way he was pitching prior to his outing against the Sox. One of the reasons for his turnaround had been his ability to throw strikes. In his previous four starts leading up to last Wednesday against the Sox, Dempster walked a total of six batters in 24 innings to go along with 19 strikeouts. In order for Dempster to post wins he must maintain a 3:1 strikeout to walk ratio.

Dempster has pitched rather well on the road this season despite only winning one game. He is 1-3 in eight starts away from Wrigley with a 3.75 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP.

After a bad April (1-1 in five starts with a 5.40 ERA and a 1.43 WHIP) and a very good May (3-2 in six starts with a 3.76 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP), Dempster has put together an excellent June, even without a win (0-1 in three starts with a 1.89 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP, opponents have hit .246 against him).

Tonight will be Ryan Dempster's first outing of the season against the Braves. For his career he is 2-10 in 25 games, 14 starts, with two saves and two complete games (5.31 ERA and a 1.52 WHIP). Last season Dempster turned in one of his best starts against the Braves, a complete game on the night Soriano broke his hand. Dempster won his only start versus the Braves and allowed two runs on four hits with 11 strikeouts and no walks in nine complete.

  • Yunel Escobar - 1-for-6
  • Jeff Francoeur - 1-for-6 with a double
  • Kelly Johnson - 0-for-4 with 2 walks
  • Chipper Jones - 10-for-38 with 2 doubles, a home run and 6 walks
  • Brian McCann - 0-for-3 with a walk
  • Nate McLouth - 3-for-11 with a home run and 3 walks
  • Javier Vazquez - 0-for-5

The Cubs will get their first look tonight in a very familiar face in a new uniform. After being a thorn in their side for years with the Expos, then for a year with the Diamondbacks, Javier Vazquez spent three years on the South Side with the Sox and has had varying degrees of success against the Cubs.

Tonight will be Javier Vazquez's 17th career start against the Cubs and despite the losing record (3-4) and a high ERA (5.17 with a 1.41 WHIP) he has always given the Cubs as much as they could handle ... Vazquez has 97 strikeouts in 94 career innings against the Cubs with only 29 walks.

Vazquez is tied for the NL lead in strikeouts with Tim Lincecum (112) and is having a very good first season with the Braves. Vazquez is coming off an eight-inning loss to the Reds in which he gave up only four runs on four hits with two walks and seven strikeouts.

Javier Vazquez is 0-2 in his last three starts with a 2.86 ERA and a 0.55 WHIP ... but the Braves have not won a game he started since May 20 (0-5).

  • Milton Bradley - 3-for-18
  • Ryan Dempster - 0-for-5 with a walk
  • Mike Fontenot - 2-for-5 with a double
  • Kosuke Fukudome - 0-for-3 with 3 walks
  • Reed Johnson - 3-for-9
  • Derrek Lee - 20-for-50 with 7 doubles, 3 home runs and 2 walks
  • Aaron Miles - 2-for-5
  • Alfonso Soriano - 2-for-9 with a home run
  • Geovany Soto - 0-for-5 with a walk
  • Ryan Theriot - 3-for-9

Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....

  • JimK

    You are right about long-term effectiveness of the offense, Charles. Without a lot of production from Soriano, Bradley, Aram, Lee and Soto in the second half, the Cubs won't win anything. As you know the first three didn't play tonight, except for Bradley's pinchitting appearance. So we have to see if we can stay in the hunt now, and pick up the pace when Aram gets back.

  • SuzyS

    Disappointed but still hopeful.

    What else to say?

  • Cory

    BOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Billy

    Absolutely unacceptable. Leaving 12 on base will almost undoubtedly translate into a loss, as was the case tonight. I almost jumped back on board, but after tonight, I'm just reminded of how absolutely flawed this team really is. They just can't score runs against good pitching. Bottom line. You put bad pitching out there, and they'll score some runs, but clearly, they're overmatched otherwise.

  • Charles n Texas

    I really want to disagree with you, Billy, but the facts of recent weeks seem to back up what you say. This was disappointing to have that many baserunners and not even score one crummy run....NO CLUTCH basehits so doubts do and should remain about the long-term effectiveness of such an offense.

  • PeteM

    I think Lou under estimates the value os a streak.

  • JimK

    Despite a lack of clutch hitting, Fox and Micah hit well enough to earn frequent play. Blanco was O.K. too. That's a plus tonight. I would like to see Fox at third until he commits two errors.



    Blanco singles in the 9th and Bradley gets a chance as a pinch hitter against Soriano. Bradley K's for the first out. Riot K's. Dome walks. And Indy's man-child, Jake, K's looking as the band plays, "Good Night Sweetheart." See you in Detroit.

  • Jim C (Tinley Park)

    Looks like the win streak ends tonight.

  • JimK

    You are right, Gary. That's especially the case when your paid assassins, Soriano, Bradley and Aram, aren't playing. And, of course, Soriano and Bradley haven't struck much terror in opponents hearts thus far. But a couple of the three could step up big-time in the second half.

  • GaryLeeT

    I see the Mets are up on the Cards late. Too bad the Cubs couldn't up a game on them.

  • JimK

    I plussed an inning (above) So we still have the 8th and 9th--down two now. D has a very satisfactory 2 runs-in-6.2-IP outing. The bats were not timely tonight, and they may continue that way. Three up and three down in the 8th for the Blue.

  • GaryLeeT

    I think the Cubs will find out quickly that not all teams have pens as bad as the Indians' and it's really tough to come back by 2 or more runs, late in the game.late

  • Neil

    While Dempster was not sharp again and pitched out of several jams, he appears to be on his way to another tough-luck loss. The Braves bullpen is very good...

  • JimK

    D get's the pinch hitter but McClouth dbls. Prado singles. Runners as first and third for Chipper. I would say IP. Jones hits a deep SF. Cubs down 2-0. Marshall coming in.

  • GaryLeeT

    Come on Lou! I hate when he lets his players talk him into bad decisions.

  • JimK

    D bats with one out after 105 pitches on a very humid night. Apparently, Lou wants him to face Vasquez leading off the 8th. The guy in this dugout says, "Pinch hitter for D." Dome walks, Fox singles in the hole. DLee will face a reliever when we resume. Lee leaves 2 runners with a flyout to right. Another disappointing inning.

  • GaryLeeT

    I can't remember the last time I saw 9 hits and 2 walks in less than 7 innings with no runs being scored.

  • JimK

    D survives two singles as a result of a double play. D appears to be done--on the radio. Memo to Cubs' bench, "You can't tie or win if you don't score!"

  • shawn

    time for a big inning right here..big inning for cubs is 2 runs so would work out just perfect now

  • Neil

    LET'S GO OFFENSE! LET'S GO!!!!

  • JimK

    Lee goes down in a decent AB, Micah singles. Braves pithcer, Vasquez, needs a medical visit according to my scratchy radio transmisson. Soto singles off Vasquez. Little Babe walks to fill 'em. Blanco is looking at the bases full and two outs. I'm glad it's not a pressure situation. Blanco flies out deep to McClouth on a 2-1 pitch. Can anyone say Damn!

  • JimK

    WHEW!!!! Cubs down 1 after 5. D has 85 or so pitches on a very humid night. Is anyone rested in the pen?

  • JimK

    D didn't listen to Neil an pitched to Chipper. Chipper dbld to put runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs. McCann's drive to right speared by DLee. Can anyone say WHEW!!!

  • Neil

    WHEW!!!!

  • RynoTiger

    Regarding Fukudome, I know folks are questioning whether he's "back" offensively..but I have a bigger question, did he actually ever arrive in the first place?



    If you think about it he's only been good for probably 4 months worth of offense over his contract thus far (April/May 2008 and April/May 2009). Beyond that he has been horrible at the plate.



    Will one of Hendry's highly anticipated RF targets ever work out while he's here? So far after Sammy he is at least 0-4 right? (Burnitz, Jones, Fukudome, and Bradley) - oh sorry for the Bradley supports - yes i know time will tell

  • JimK

    Dome leaves Blanco on 3rd with his two out fly to right.

  • JimK

    Not only did the A's waste 2 dbls in their game (above), but the Braves did too. LOL

  • JimK

    Garret Anderson dbls over Micah's head, but is trapped off second on a comeback to D. Following a 2nd Dbl and runners on 2nd and 3rd, D gets a strikeout to end the 4th. A's waste two doubles. Cubs still down 1.

  • Neil

    Good job by Dempster getting out of that jam...

  • JimK

    Back on after dinner. The Cubs waisted three hits in the first as a result of a Dome double play. Five hits total, and nothing to show for it over 3 1/2. Fox and DLee have hits and Riot has two.



    But we're only down 1. Come D, keep us in the game!

  • GaryLeeT

    Wow, I guess the Cubs missed their chance to get to Vasquez. I am not convinced Fukudome is "back" and would have rather seen Blanco hitting 2nd.

  • shawn

    hey all...not watching the game but am watching gamecast. is the game being called fair or am i watching a game that a cubs fan is running the game cast?

  • RynoTiger

    oh that's how you score with just 1 hit! I thought the more hits you got the better your chances of scoring..silly me.

  • BUBrave

    Who does that leadoff hitter think he is getting on base?

  • Grant

    Hey this is well into the future but what do u guys think of reed Johnson he deserves to ink a 3 yr 12 or 13 mill I wild deffinatlt pay him that if we have the money if not trade money I think we need him but what do u guys think will happen?

  • JimK

    Aaron....I'm assuming that Miles was hurt early, and LaRussa usually gets his way--especially with the Cards contending. The dollars did matter when he was let go, but at $2 to $2.5 per, those can be handled. I agree with you that Miles is not a high OBP guy, but he is a .285 lifetime hitter over several seasons. The guys I referenced earlier (like Miles) all live near LaRussa and said LaRussa personally called Miles a few times during the negotiations. If Miles was hurt and isn't now, a trade for Miles could happen. LaRussa would have to think that Miles will play well the second half and his record suggests he could.



    I haven't checked Sean Rodriquez lateley, but that would be another type deal. I'm looking to trade Miles, and the Angels don't need a veteran middle infielder. As an aside, thinking about lefty relievers, it's occurred to me that Sherrill could work. Someone mentioned that a while back.

  • SuzyS

    JimK...do you really think the Cubs would trade with the Cards at this stage of the season...the way the season is progressing?



    Sherill could work...but then you are dealing with the O's again....at what price?

  • Bryan

    Living here in Atlanta, tonite's game will certainly get in. Scattered showers, typical this time of year here. I remember a year ago there were literally tornado's pounding the downtown area and I was at an outdoor restaurant 20 miles away, and it was full sunshine. Weather gets interesting this time of year here.

  • SuzyS

    FYI...David Aardsma is still doing well in Seattle...1.52 era///converting 14 of 15 save opportunities...although a righty...he still sports a flamethrower of an arm...and evidently has learned some control after all these years...can be used as closer or set up and would not be too expensive...I would surmise.

  • JimK

    This lineup has some intrigue with Fox, Hoffpauir, Fontenot and Blanco in and Miles, Soriano, Bradley and Aram out. It's "give 'em hell farm system--down with the hired guns" so to speak. If most of these guys perform some and D has a good game, we could shouting, "Thank you Big Ernie in the sky."



    To add a little more intrigue, I think the Cards would trade for Miles. I'm remembering his H.S. coach, and off-season neighbor both saying to me at spring training that LaRussa was mad when the Cards wouldn't match the Cubs 2 year $5 mil (combined) deal.



    Middle infielders Greene, Barden and Thurston have all fallen below .240 for the Cards. I think JH can get AA RHP, Lance Lynn for Miles. Lynn was the 39th overall pick in 2008 and like his counter part, Drew Storen (10th pick this year by the Nats) at Indy suburb, Brownsburg, Lynn (22) is a big un. Lynn is about 13th-15th on most Cardinal prospect lists and pitched a couple of years at U. Miss. I would also take third base prospect, David Freese (AAA) who has power and a good glove, is performing less well this year (than last), and who needs additional plate discipline. He ranks about 12th and they have a high ranked guy ahead of him. Maybe we add a mid to lower level prospect or two to the deal and get both Lynn and Freese.



    If this game is rained out, I'm wondering what one player the Faithful would like to see JH add for the 2nd half. With our AAAA guys stepping up, names like Wigginton (one that I've liked) aren't as compelling. I still say it should be a lefty reliever, like Downs, but Toronto has played well, their big buck's guy (B.J. Ryan) has disappointed, and Downs may stay in Toronto.

  • Aaron

    JimK,



    Why not revive your old trades for Sean Rodriguez (it was you that brought him up quite awhile ago, wasn't it?) I think he makes a lot of sense.



    But, as for Miles...I like your thinking...but just don't see how it can happen. The Cards have better options, which you mentioned, and Barden and Thurston combined make less than Miles, and produce more. The Cards left him hanging for a reason. LaRussa might want him, but the guys upstairs would never take on a crappy hitter like him unless the Cubs paid ALL of his salary, which isn't happening....but I do like your trade suggestions.



    What was the trades in the past you were suggesting for Rodriguez? Was that back when we thought we might lose ARAM to FA? I can't remember who you were suggesting.



    Also, it's quite intriguing to note that Lee might've dramatically improved his trade stock. Do we still try to convince him to waive the no-trade before this year's deadline as they did in the offseason?

  • Matt Haggard

    http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=FFC®ion=c4&lat=33.85500717&lon=-84.39598846&label=Atlanta%2c%20GA



    This will get in, it just may be later than expected.



    Man. I love rain. But rain in the ballpark is the worst.



    I'm glad Theriot gets the start today. Rest them one day at a time.

  • waldo7239117

    Thanks Matt

  • cc002600

    Paul K,

    I don't disagree that giving Wood $10M / year is alot. BUT, the thing that makes me mad about letting Wood go is the REASON we had to let him go. Its Hendry's sins of the past of overpaying for the likes of Soriano, Zambrano, Marquis, Bradley, Fuku, etc that forced him to unload Dero and Wood for nothing but financial reasons. He has boxed himself in.



    And get used to that in the next few years, because more to come as many of these contracts are backloaded. That's a bad omen.



    And sorry, but I would much rather have Wood than Gregg. Gregg is a step down, and will most likely be gone after this year.

  • paul k

    I wonder if the past series finally put Jim Hendry's decision to not bring Kerry Wood back as the closer in a more positive light.



    He is not a proven commodity as a closer and I have previously stated that I never felt like the game was over when he came in to close. Given that, I never thought he was worth $10Mil/year he got (for those who would say he could have came back for a discount, I don't think he's worth half that salary as a closer).



    Let's hope Gregg can continue to put up good numbers like he has been recently.

  • SuzyS

    Paul K....We never really felt like the game was over when Lee Smith came in...one of the more prolific closers in Cubs history...so never use that as the bar.

    That being said...I like everyone else loved Kerry Wood...warrior man...and I think that includes JH....I look at his trade this off season as a favor to Kerry...because the Cubs simply were not going to commit that type of money to Kerry...especially with his injury history...That being said...IF we make the playoffs...we need a better closer than Gregg to go all the way.



    That closer may or may not already be in house.

  • Aaron

    Paul K,



    Not to be a downer, but I think Gregg's recent success is a byproduct of dumb luck rather than actual skill. He lacks the closer's velocity that you would like to see, and doesn't have the command, or changeup like a Hoffman does to get away with his lack of velocity and straight fastballs.



    Gregg is still not a closer in my book, just as Miles isn't a MLB hitter. Miles could go on a 10 game hitting streak, and I'd still say he was a waste, just was Gregg is. Unfortunately, with Guzman's injury and Marmol's unbelievable lack of command this year...we have no other option right now. I hope he keeps up the good work, but it's a little early to toot the horn when 75% of his tenure with the Cubs has been a bust.



    Wood, unfortunately, has lacked the save opportunities you'd like your closer to have early on to keep him sharp. At least Wood has a great fastball, and deadly breaking stuff. Gregg only has the deadly breaking stuff, but can't command it, thus hitters simply sit on his fastball and crush it. I agree that Wood is NOT worth $10 million/year, but I do think he would've come at a discount---but even so, that's pure speculation by me, and anyone that'd think so. All things equal, if you had your choice between the two, and salaries weren't an issue, I think you have to go with Wood every time. I'm sure others "wood" agree...LOL....but maybe I'm wrong.

  • waldo7239117

    Do you think the game will get in?

  • Neil
  • waldo7239117

    Thanks Neil

  • Neil

    It is raining in Atlanta, tarp is on the field.

  • BUBrave

    So much for the Theriot day off... maybe Lou finally caught on and is doing whatever he can to keep Miles out of the lineup!

  • grant

    ya i saw that to who r the top korean players this year? we will probly end up signing them lol

  • waldo7239117

    I say on MLBTR the Cubs are still one of the teams pursuing Mateo, who is Mateo is he good and young?



    Thanks

  • Aaron

    I posted about this kid about a month ago. I mistakenly thought the Cardinals had already wrapped him up, but like you, saw the recent Twitter about the Cubs having a shot. He seems like a real OF talent. If you watch the YouTube video of the guy, it's clear he's a legit "____-Tool" player (I refuse to use that term anymore, so I'll just leave it to your imagination). Dude has some pretty amazing raw power, and ESPN wrote an article about him a few months ago which piqued my interest. Rumor has it that he's seeking close to what Sano would get (approx $4 million bonus), so I'm pretty sure that automatically eliminates us from the picture with the whole sale not going through yet.

  • waldo7239117

    I saw the youtube video and I remember seeing it a month ago when you mention it.

  • waldo7239117

    Starting Lineup:



    Theriot SS

    Fukudome CF

    Fox LF

    Lee 1B

    Hoffpauir RF

    Soto C

    Fontenot 3B

    Blanco 2b

    Dempster P

  • Neil

    Thanks for posting the lineup...

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