Royals Focused on Marshall and Fontenot?

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In recent weeks the name of Mark Teahen has become more and more prevalent in the Cubs' rumor mill. The Cubs have publicly stated their desire to add speed and athleticism to a lineup that their manager says is too right-handed. The Cubs appear interested in Mark Teahen, but at what cost?

Phil Rogers mentioned in his MLB Whispers column on Saturday that, "Kansas City is focused on Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot in talks with the Cubs about Mark Teahen" And on Sunday night Rogers' report was used as the source of a report on Cubs.com that indicated the Marshall and Fontenot could be a part of the Teahen talks.

Bruce Levine reported on Saturday that Mark Teahen could cost the Cubs a relief pitcher or a young position player down on the farm. Teahen is not the big left-handed bat the Cubs are looking for but would be more of an extra part....and in turn could help the Cubs become a little more athletic and would definitely give Lou Piniella more flexibility.

Multiple reports late last week stated the Cubs interest in Mark Teahen was minimal (at best) at this point and one report indicated if Jim Hendry was to trade for Teahen, they were not able to make the other options happen they are exploring.

When the Royals acquired Coco Crisp from the Red Sox last week, the value for Mark Teahen dropped. With David DeJesus, Jose Guillen and Coco Crisp in the outfield along with the recently acquired Mike Jacobs in the mix, Teahen's playing time should be reduced next season. The Kansas City Star mentioned the Royals could be interested in Felix Pie, Mike Fontenot or Ronny Cedeno (the report in the Star made it seem like it could be one of the three players, not multiple players going from the Cubs to the Royals for Teahen)....and with Coco Crisp now on the roster, Felix Pie would not fit the Royals' needs, but Ronny Cedeno, a player out of options, could and a Teahen for Cedeno deal is more realistic.

With no disrespect meant to Mr. Rogers, his report that the Royals are focused on Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot for Mark Teahen appears to have as many holes as his report in late October that told his readers to not be "surprised if Jim Hendry tries to put together a package that would include a swap of first basemen, Derrek Lee and Adrian Gonzalez, who is supposedly untouchable."

Mark Teahen could possibly help the Cubs next season but to trade away the likes of Sean Marshall, a pitcher that can either start or come out of the pen, and Mike Fontenot, the Cubs most reliable pinch hitter last season, again seems more than a little far fetched.

  • Alvin Hinton

    I'm with getting Dunn, but our need for a lefthand bat is too great. How about getting rid of Lee and Soriano. get free agent Tex and Dunn and watch the fireworks and championship increase as we get to the World Series

  • Larry Boodry

    Based on some of the previous comments, I have revised my earlier ideal lineup:



    Theriot/Furcal - SS

    Fontenot - 2B

    Lee - 1B

    Ramirez - 3B

    Soriano - LF

    Hoffpauer -RF

    Johnson - CF

    Soto - C



    Trade bait for Peavy: Fukudome, Pie, Marquis, Hill, Cedeno, and Guzman.



    Talk about a lights-out rotation - Zambrano, Harden, Peavy, Lilly, and Dempster.



    Bullpen - Wood (yeah, I'm still dreamin'), Marmol, Gregg, Marshall, Atkins, and Mateo. (No more Cotts, Howry, or Wuertz)



    Bench/platoon options - Theriot (if we sign Furcal), DeRosa, Teahen (if we get him after all), and whoever else wasn't traded.



    Bottom line is, this is a 97-win, two-time consecutive NL Central Champion.

    No need to make wholesale changes.

  • Joe S. (San Diego)

    First, I previously posted that any trade for Teahen is a joke. The guy is nothing special.



    You don't really know what you are getting batting average wise....in 4 seasons he had two decent years at .290 & .285 but they were sandwiched by two seasons of .246 his rookie year, and .255 last year!



    He has medicore power at best as shown by his totals in each of his 4 seasons:7-18-7-15.



    No Thanks! Especially for Marshall and Fontenot! We need left bats and Fonty was a scrapper!



    As for Soriano....I think his legs problems are behind him. I think he comes to camp with something to prove. Even injured he has still produced for us. Now think of his production if healthy all year.



    I actually loved someones line above that said they are sick of his continued choking in the playoffs. Instead of griping about out regular season...we are now able to start griping about our playoffs....seems like we are almost over that hump.....never before did we have expectations about being in the playoffs let alone succeeding in them.

  • agustin rexach

    lol...Joe. Have been spoiled with two straight post seasons or have we been killed with the century of loosing ?

    We still could turn out to be the Yankees of this fresh century right?

  • JimK

    I've mentioned the same general deal for Soriano that shawn s is posting. My preface was that, if Manny leaves and Torre likes Soriano from their Yankee days, there's a slim chance that we could get Ethier and Pierre (bad contract in the Dodgers' eyes) in a multi-player deal for Soiano. I would not take Jones and his $20 mil for even his one remaining season. He became a total slacker.



    Re. Soriano's place in the order, he has said that he will bat elsewhere in the order. He also says that he doesn't hit well elsewhere in the order. His stats bear that out, and Lou (and JH) seem to regard their comments that he was signed to lead off as important for Sori's peace of mind.



    I've mentioned that both Fontenot and Theriot hit .300 + last year and had high OBP's. I wouldn't mind Theriot leading off and Fontenot batting second. And I would move Sori down to 5th (behind Lee and Aram). If we could get a 3 hole left handed bat, I would bat Lee in the 6 hole behind Sori.



    The best bet on trades for us is that they will be budget related--nothing major unless a bigger contract is moved. I think we have to see the Big People free agents make their deals--before JH will be able to make another trade or two. Lou and JH's quest for a lefty bat will likely be realized.

  • Paul k

    Can someone please cite an article in which Soriano has said he would not bat anywhere but leadoff?



    I know he has said that's where he prefers to bat, but he would do anything the team asked him to do. I really don't see why people make im out to be such a selfish player. This is the same guy who tried playing CF when the team asked him to. Pinella himself said he leads off because there is no one else on the team that could do better.



    I'm all for him moving down in the order, but only if there is a better alternative.

  • eddy

    no way not even funny

    we need peavy and another bat but not teahens

  • shawn s

    Here is an idea, it's out there but I think it could work. If the Dodgers don't sign Ramirez I say we trade Soriano to them for Andruw Jones and another play like Either or Kemp somebody like that. I know what your thinking about Jones but this is the last year of his contract, he can play killer defense (or at least he use to) and since he is in a contract year he might be motivated. Ideally we pick up Either since he is a left hand bat. This will get rid of Soriano's terrible salary and give the Cubs some much needed payroll flexibility due to the constraints because of the selling of the team. If they don't give us Either or Kemp I might even be inclined to pick up Juan Pierre as well if the Dodgers insist. I know a lot of you don't like Pierre but he led the NL in hits back in 2006 as a member of the Cubs and can be the lead-off hitter they need. He plays solid defense and I know he has a weak arm but so do most of the CF's out there. Don't get me wrong Soriano is a good player but he isn't what the Cubs need, they would be good to get rid of him. The Cubs should then sign Dunn to play left and shift Jones to play right.



    CF-Pierre

    SS-Theriot

    3B-Ramirez

    LF-Dunn

    1B-Lee

    C-Soto

    2B-Derosa

    RF-Jones



    I'm doing this with the thought that the Dodgers wouldn't give up Either or Kemp but the Cubs would get some prospects back in return.



    We replace Soriano's bad defense with Dunn's bad defense but also he can match Soriano's power and he takes a wicked amount of walks which could set the table for D-LEE. We dump Jones after the year to free up salary space and live with Pierre in CF for the next 2 years (which isn't that bad a thing).



    I'm just looking to dump Soriano as I'm tired of him choking in the play-offs, looking lost in left field, refusing to try and take a walk, refusing to hit anywhere other than lead-off and when he does pouting about it. Finally his required stint on the DL, it has to be in his contract as much as he is on there. Also there is the fact that the Cubs are going to owe him tons of money until he is 87 years old. Maybe this is an I don't like Soriano post I don't know. :-)

  • Gene

    The trade makes no sense. "YOU MUST BE STRONG UP THE MIDDLE". This trade would weaken our middle, as Teahen can only play on the corners. Also, no way is he worth two off our 40 man roster.

  • Mike

    If they get rid of Sean for Teahen, I will jump out a window then get up and become a Yankee fan...this trading and wanting to sign everyone out there has to stop. We have a 97 win ball club that needs the guys within the club to step up in the playoffs...

  • GaryLeeT

    The only way the Cubs should trade Marshal is to get a McLouth or Roberts. Or, to tie him to a package that has another team eat a bad contract, like Fukudome's or Soriano's.

  • JimK

    We all agree that we keep Fontenot. We disagree that Marshall + for Teahen + makes sense. My deal proposed yesterday is that Marshall, Gaudin and Cedeno makes sense for Teahen and top pitching prospect Carlos Rosa. Teahen, IMO, is comparable to DeRo, and having a good lefty bat and competent fielder for all four corners and especially RF, LF and 3B is worth a 4-5 pitcher.



    I preface my deal by saying, if JH is unable to get a better lefty bat, Teahen makes sense. I don't want Roberts because we are more than solid at 2B. I can still see a deal for SS Greene that would be far less costly than one for Roberts. Like a Teahen deal, it would mean that JH's budget limitations and inability to move a big contract keep us from getting a more prominent player.

  • Larry Boodry

    Here's my ideal lineup:



    1-Brian Roberts - 2b

    2-Johnson - CF

    3-Lee - 1b

    4-Ramirez - 3b

    5-Soriano - LF

    6-Hoffpauir - RF

    7-Soto - C

    8-Furcal - SS

    9-Harden - SP



    I'd also like to see Peavy and/or Randy Johnson added to the rotation, and Marquis gone...I'm not sold on Marmol as the closer, and while it ain't likely, maybe Wood comes back in an arbitration scenario.



    I would not trade Fontenot and Marshall for Teahen, who we really don't need...For Peavy, yeah.



    Our bench would include Fontenot, Fukudome, DeRosa, and Theriot, all of whom could also be used in platoon situations to get more at-bats.



    Wood (I can dream), Marmol, Marshall, and Gregg in the bullpen, with the young studs Atkins and Mateo maybe coming up mid-season...Howry and Cotts would be gone, and perhaps Hill, also.



    What do y'all think?

  • agustin rexach

    I'd go for it but there is no way we get Roberts and Furcal while keeping Fuku and Soriano,furthermore, Peavy or Randy because of the additional payroll and the team sell situation. Its too much money but a notable lineup to say the least!



    JimK I like your proposal too but the Royals and Cubs have never been able to deal together and I've read that they over value Teahen and wanted more than just Marshall, they also want Fontenot and maybe Cedeno. So I don't see how they would also include a top SP without Fonty and Cedeno/Gaudin.



    We do all agree that Soriano and DLee are on the wrong slots right? As much as I like Lou...he seems to be the only one that can't see that Soriano sucks there and that DLee is a DP candidate. Maybe

    Lee should bat 5th and Soriano 3rd? I don't care if Soriano came here to be lead off hitter..we got him to win. He was unwillingly moved to Left by the Nationals and that obviously worked out. I'm sick of players that are selfish on the field. I understand that they want a lot of money and that you have to pay hard bucks to have them but once they are signed they should just play wherever the team needs them.

    1-Chone Figgins

    2-Fontenot

    3-Soriano

    4-Ramirez

    5-Derek Lee

    6-Hoffpauir

    7-Soto

    8-Fukudome

    9-Aaron!

  • jw

    I like the line-up better...but



    Fukudome should bat lower until he proves he can hit in MLB...Can Figgins play SS? This would solve a lot of problems if he could. Tough choice between Fontenont and Theriot at second...Platoon may work but I think one would be traded...seems to me Theriot was a big part of the offense last year and if one had to go I'd prefer it be Fontenot. (Although Fontenot would work at second if they could get musch larger value from Theriot in a trade.) One thing this lacks is a tough out power hitter in the middle which was just as big of a part of the problem in 08. (I am intrigued by Hoffpauer but Lee has to go to make that happen You don't want him in right for sure and I am not so sure his defense at first could overcome the improvement in offense over Lee but he looks like the real deal at the plate.)

  • agustin rexach

    NOOOOO....Marshall alone is way too much for Teahen. Besides, I am in love with the idea that Mighty Mike is a 20-25 hr guy and would like him to play second base full time next year. Listen... we were deperate for Brian Roberts before and theese two guys are not that far away from each other as they have very, very similar stats. The big diference is in stolen bases and home Runs. In 611 AB Roberts did stole 40 bases while Mike only stole 2 in 243 plate appearances. That is why we would still need a true lead off like Furcal/Figgins or somebody other than Theriot/Soriano. However Fontenot matched Roberts 9 HR in only 1/3 of the atbats both with [9hr] and also beat him straight up in average, OBP and SLG. Fonty strikes out a lot less and was on a clear path to surpass Roberts in total of hits,doubles,rbi's and would have been very tight in Runs scored if they had the same atbats.

    I think we should get Peavy at all costs and a fast SS or RF. [It could be Cedeno/Pie but their swings has to remain short like Cedeno's last year] And Really does anybody else agree that the Cubs have a serious problem with the batting order and that[that] alone could have saved us in the post season? All of them are out of place...Soriano,Lee,DeRosa, Theriot

    My line up

    1-Chone Figgins

    2-Fukudome

    3-Derek Lee

    4-Ramirez

    5-Soriano

    6-Hoffpauir

    7-Soto

    8-Fontenot

    9-Peavy

    bench/platoon; Derosa,Johnson,Cedeno,Theriot

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    No way do I trade Marshall and Fontenot for Teahen. How about Fukudome and Marquis for DeJesus and Guilen?

  • Matt Haggard

    Let me ask you something.



    Mark Teahen vs. Felix Pie.



    Can Pie equal what Teahen could do? I say yes.



    And trading away two versatile peices like Mighty Mike and Super Sean just ain't worth it.



    Pass.



    BTW, Neil. Entertainment.com ads keep popping up every time I try to start commenting in the comment box.



    Is this from the CCO?



    It won't stop as I try to write this!!!! AGHHHH!!!!

  • Neil

    Matt....I do not know what those ads are. I will check into it.

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