Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Reds - 08/20/08

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Game One Hundred Twenty-Six: Cubs (77-48) vs. Reds (55-71)
Game Time - 7:05pm C.T.
Coverage - TV: WCIU - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 184
Location - Wrigley Field, Chicago

Ted Lilly (12-6, 4.32/1.35) vs. Bronson Arroyo (10-10, 5.51/1.52)

Lou Piniella's crew will try to win the second game of the series and of the homestand behind Ted Lilly. Tonight's game is a rematch from the slugfest at Wrigley on July 10th in which the Reds pounded the Cubs 12-7 and hit 7 long balls. Lilly did not make it out of the 3rd inning and 5 different Cubs' pitchers served up a least one long ball, including Chad Gaudin in his Cubs' debut. Bronson Arroyo did not pitch a lot better than Lilly, but lasted long enough to qualify for the win.

This is the last night game of the very important homestand....

Ted Lilly is coming off a win in his last start against the Braves. Lilly did not have his best stuff and still managed to pick up his 12th win of the season despite giving up 4 runs on 8 hits in 6 innings with 2 walks and 8 strikeouts....it was the first start since facing the Reds on July 10th that Lilly did not notch a quality start.

Lilly is 2-0 in his last 3 starts with a 3.20 ERA and a 1.42 WHIP.

Lilly has struggled mightily against the Reds this season, in fact he has been rocked. Lilly is 0-2 in 2 starts with a 9.35 ERA and a 1.96 WHIP while the Reds have hit a remarkable .316 against him. The Reds are also responsible for 3 of the 27 home runs Lilly has allowed this season.

Lilly must throw strikes and keep the ball down or it will be a long night for the bullpen.

  • Bronson Arroyo - 1-for-3
  • Paul Bako - 0-for-3
  • Jolbert Cabrera - 3-for-7
  • Edwin Encarnacion - 4-for-14 with a double and 2 home runs
  • Jerry Hairston, Jr. - 5-for-22 with 3 doubles and a home run
  • Jeff Keppinger - 4-for-11
  • Corey Patterson - 1-for-8
  • Brandon Phillips - 1-for-15 with a home run
  • Joey Votto - 4-for-9 with a double and a home run

The Cubs will get their second look of the season at Bronson Arroyo tonight, but which Arroyo will they face? Arroyo struggled in June and went 1-3 in 6 starts with an 8.26 ERA and a 1.80 WHIP while opponents hit .347 against him. Since June Arroyo has improved and is 1-2 in his last 3 starts with a 3.93 ERA and a 1.42 WHIP.

On the road this season Arroyo is 5-4 in 12 starts with a 7.47 ERA and a 1.85 WHIP while teams have hit .340 against him.

Arroyo was the benefactor of a ton of offense the last time he faced the Cubs back on July 10th. The Reds beat the Cubs 12-7 on getaway day and Arroyo gave up 5 runs on 7 hits with 3 walks and 2 strikeouts in 5 innings.

Arroyo is 5-6 in 16 career games, 14 starts, versus the Cubs with a 3.45 ERA and a 1.17 WHIP.

  • Ronny Cedeno - 3-for-15 with a double
  • Jim Edmonds - 7-for-27 with a double and a home run
  • Mike Fontenot - 2-for-2 with a double and a home run
  • Kosuke Fukudome - 0-for-3
  • Reed Johnson - 3-for-11
  • Derrek Lee - 6-for-24 with a double, 2 home runs and 5 walks
  • Ted Lilly - 0-for-4
  • Aramis Ramirez - 7-for-30 with a double
  • Alfonso Soriano - 8-for-34 with 5 doubles and a home run
  • Geovany Soto - 1-for-4
  • Ryan Theriot - 6-for-18 with a double

Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....

  • JOET

    FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN HELD TO EXACTLY 1 RUN IN A HOME GAME THIS SEASON. LAST TEAM TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SEASON WITHOUT SCORING EXACTLY 1 RUN IN ANY HOME GAME WAS THE 2001 RANGERS. THEY ACTUALLY SCORED 2+ EVERY HOME GAME AND DID NOT GET SHUTOUT AT HOME. CUBS WERE SHUTOUT TWICE AT HOME AND FINALLY HELD TO EXACTLY 1 AT HOME. DID YOU KNOW THAT STRANGE STAT, NEIL OR MATT?



    THERE'S NO NEED TO COMPLAIN TODAY. WE WERE JUST BEATEN. WE ONLY STRUCKOUT 6 TIMES I BELIEVE. SO WE KEPT THE BALL IN PLAY WITH FEW K'S, UNLESS I MISCOUNTED.



    GET 'EM TOMORROW AND WE'LL WIN OUR 7TH CONSECUTIVE SERIES!



    CUBS ARE 1 OF 3 TEAMS TO OUTSCORE THEIR OPPONENTS BY 100+ THIS YEAR. THE BOSOX AND CHISOX ARE THE OTHERS.

  • jj

    omg u guys its 1 game big deal we lost a tough one were almost 30 games above .500 and have a 5 game lead in the division if u told me we were in this position before the season started in late august i would take it in a second

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    They looked flat.

  • agustin rexach

    sorry cco, my bad with the jinx. We'll get em tommorrow. Derosa and Lilly were the only two that came to play. ugly game aside of those 2.

  • nick

    Thanks for trying the re-post of lineups Neil.

  • nick

    Well, that game officially sucked. Living in Ohio, work is going to suck tomorrow.



    Let's get the bat's out tomorrow and take the series!!

  • JimK

    Soto actually was in good position to block the wild pitch but it bounced away. And the Reds had not a single hit with a runner on base--but won. Blame our bats and congratulate Arroyo. Tomorrow's another day. In the interest of a reverse jinx, I'm posting this with one out.

  • agustin rexach

    OK Jeff...I'm done with my non-superstition journey. I'm back to being scared until the final score lights up the W. Sorry about that guys[It's my fault].



    But hey...I'm back to being a faithfull and rooting for a 9th inning comeback!!! Let's hear it once again Neil...Lets go ofense lets go!!!

  • Neil

    DeRosa brought the right glove to the park tonight.

  • Neil

    13 ground ball outs to 4 fly ball outs for Arroyo....and two huge double plays. He simply out pitched Lilly and the wild pitch on the strikeout of Dickerson led to the tying run.

  • JimK

    When you are down to 3 outs and trailing 2-1, you likely get to tip your hat and may have to wait until tomorrow to get another win. Come on Shark, keep us in the game.

  • nick

    only 1 run against the Reds!??!!

  • Neil

    Tonight's lineup:



    Soriano - LF

    Theriot - SS

    Lee - 1B

    Ramirez - 3B

    Edmonds - CF

    DeRosa - 2B

    Fukudome - RF

    Soto - C

    Lilly - P

  • Neil

    LET'S GO OFFENSE, LET'S GO (clap, clap, clap, clap, clap)!!!!!

  • nick

    Hey fellas,



    Neil, can you repost the lineup for us supersitious guys, maybe it will get us going. No offense Duas.

    Just trying to get us some runs.

  • Neil

    This is the 2006 version of Arroyo....

  • JimK

    Soriano is saving his wheels for something rather than really going after the bloop double to left. I'm not sure he should have caught it. And now we need two to win. Arroyo, like Lilly, has some miles on him tonight--so we can rally.

  • JimK

    You could be right, Roland. A lot of thngs get less reliable when you're playing the back nine--including hearing. This game looks like last night. Mr. Obvious says we have to score some runs. Lilly may not make it out of the 7th.

  • Trevor

    lol @ Jeff.... :)





    Stupid blackouts, I can't see this game. Fortunately the Cubs have been turning on the offense in the late innings recently. Let's do it again, starting now.

  • Neil

    Offense needs to wake up. They have left them in this game.

  • Jeff in Az

    Hows that new leaf working out for ya Agustin?

  • roland

    JimK,



    I counted only 25 when I look on ESPN. Maybe 3 runs or less?

  • roland

    Hey Jimk,



    I seen in a previous post that you are in Indy. Hello from a neighbor!

  • JimK

    Looks like we don' want any of our several runners to risk getting hurt at home plate. We're leaving too many stranded.



    I'm on Fox again tonight with the Reds' announcers who do OK. Thom Breneman's side kick has offered a troubling stat. While we lead the league in runs scored (maybe the majors), in 50 games we have scored 2 or fewer runs. That can hurt in a short series--even with outstanding pitching.



    Come on guys, it's the 5th. Put up a crooked number.

  • Lew

    Matt, I would say, as would Edmonds, getting off the meds saved his career.

  • Matt Haggard

    Everytime Edmonds is up he works the count. Walks a lot.



    I was behind signing edmonds but I didnt expect the OBP. Maybe getting off that medication helped with that a little.

  • JimK

    Nice inning and excellent start by Ted. Looks like the hitters are on hold again tonight, and we will nurse a 1 run lead for awhile. Maybe we can add a couple more in the 4th or 5th.

  • Matt Haggard

    I could have hit one off Glooroo that year...

  • agustin rexach

    Hey Tom Edgar, just for you I decided to start my journey today as a non-supersticious fan! and I am going to go ahead and say that Ted Lilly has a no-hitter going through 3 innings and he will, with out a doubt, complete it!!!

    Lets see how this works! and lets rock Arroyo and Cincy....



    I still remember the two HR he hit against us in 06

  • Matt Haggard

    Way to make him work Ted.



    It was a productive out. A pitcher never wants to throw 5 pitches to the opposing pitcher.



    Lilly has really improved that aspect of his game. So refreshing.

  • Lew

    That's 1, thanks to a little help from Mr. Arroyo. Nice to get things rolling early, let's keep on these these Redlegs.



    Oh, and BIG CCO Happy Birthday to Jeff's young P.W.

  • Neil

    DeRosa with a RBI single....

  • Matt Haggard

    I like having wild pitches go our way.



    Its like a free rally card oftentimes.

  • Jeff in Az

    Speaking of superstitions, I hope Duas posting the lineup instead of Neil doesn't cause us any trouble tonight.

  • Neil

    Hey Jeff....great to hear from you. WOW! A year?



    Happy 1st Birthday to your son!

  • Jeff n Oklahoma

    Hello everyone, long time no talk..Just wanted to tell the fellow CCO members todays my son Pryor Wrigley's 1st birthday..Lets toast for my son and the Chicago Cubs. Keep it going Cubbies, I'm loving watching this season.. and to Neil and the other CCO staffers, you guys do a terrific job. Take care everyone.

  • Neil

    Duas...thank you. That is the lineup.

  • Duas

    I heard the line up on ESPN 1000 about an hour ago...I tried to remember it:



    Soriano - LF

    Theriot - SS

    Lee - 1B

    Ramirez - 3B

    Edmonds - CF

    Derosa - 2B

    Fukudome - RF

    Soto - C

    Lilly - P

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