Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Marlins - 07/27/08

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Game One Hundred Five: Cubs (60-44) vs. Marlins (55-48)
Game Time - 1:20pm C.T.
Coverage - TV: Comcast Sports Net - TBS Sunday Afternoon Baseball - Radio: 720 WGN, XM Radio Channel 186
Location - Wrigley Field, Chicago

Jason Marquis (6-6, 4.44/1.41) vs. Rick VandenHurk (1-1, 6.10/1.94)

There are no two ways about it, Lou Piniella's crew needs to win a ballgame. Put the standings aside, this team just must start building back a little of the confidence they have lost over the past three weeks. After back-to-back one-run losses to the Marlins (1-12 in last 13 games against the Fish), the Cubs are in need of a victory in order to avoid their first three game losing streak of the season at home. The loss on Saturday, coupled with wins by the Brewers and Cardinals, allowed both teams to gain a game in the standings. For the first time since May 26th the Cubs are no longer in sole possession of first place in the central, they enter play today tied atop the division with Milwaukee....and regardless of the standings, the Cubs must return to their winning ways once again. And it all starts with Jason Marquis.

The Cubs are struggling right now and have lost 6 of 9 since the break and the team must start stringing together hits....and start catching a few breaks as well.

Jason Marquis has been given the task of ending his team's brief 4-game homestand with a .500 record. Lou Piniella has dipped into his bullpen frequently the last two games and a solid quality start from Marquis has to be a priority for the veteran right-hander. With Sean Marshall tossing 3 innings on Saturday, Chad Gaudin throwing 2 and Jon Lieber on the DL, Piniella is down to one inning specialists and ineffectiveness by Marquis could equal to a long, frustrating afternoon on the North Side.

After near perfect outings against the Giants on July 1st and July 11th, Marquis was not as sharp in his last outing against the Diamondbacks. Marquis pitched well enough to win but departed after 6 innings with his team down 3-1. The Diamondbacks blew the game open in the last two innings and the Cubs lost 9-2. Marquis allowed 3 runs on 5 hits and put his team in position to win a game on the road....but the offense could not figure out Yusmeiro Petit.

Marquis is 3-3 in 9 starts at Wrigley this season with a 5.44 ERA and a 1.46 WHIP. His last win at home came against the White Sox on June 21st.

Marquis is 4-5 in 10 career starts, 17 games, versus the Marlins with a 6.88 ERA and a 1.70 WHIP....last season, 0-2 in 2 starts with a 7.20 ERA and a 2.20 WHIP. The Marlins hit an unbelievable .378 against him in 10 innings.

  • Jorge Cantu - 1-for-1
  • Luis Gonzalez - 5-for-22 with a double and a home run
  • Wes Helms - 3-for-11
  • Jeremy Hermida - 3-for-8 with a home run
  • Hanley Ramirez - 4-for-9 with 2 doubles
  • Dan Uggla - 1-for-5
  • Josh Willingham - 2-for-5 with a double

The Cubs will get their first look at another young arm in the Marlins' system. Rick VandenHurk will make just his 4th start of the season after posting a 4-6 record in 18 games, 17 starts, a year ago with a 6.83 ERA and a 1.74 WHIP. The 6'5" right hander won his last start after throwing 5 innings of shutout ball against the Atlanta Braves. VandenHurk did walk 5 batters but struck out 7 and in 10 1/3 innings (3 starts) he has walked 8 and struck out 14 this season.

Today will be VandenHurk's first appearance on the road this season and the Cubs must make him work. To say VandenHurk is inconsistent would be an understatement, but like any big league pitcher, if a team swings early and often....he will gain confidence as the game wears on.

Jim Edmonds is the only Cub (active or inactive) that has faced VandenHurk. He is 0-for-1 with a walk and a strikeout in only 1 official at bat.

Finally.... Former Cub, Rich 'Goose' Gossage will be inducted into Baseball's Hall of Fame later today in Cooperstown. Congratulations to the Goose....the most dominating, intimidating reliever this writer ever saw take the mound. After today the campaign to have Ron Santo voted in by the Veteran's Committee for next year should begin. Forget the fact he was a Cub, Santo's numbers warrant alone him being in the Hall of Fame.

Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....

  • Mark

    Nate in FL,

    I think you're wrong.

    Like I said, put him in to get his confidnece when we are up 3+ runs to get his feet wet. He has a great arm. He was in today and looked unhitable. There is so much that comes into play when you are a ML pitcher, confidence is BIG especially when you have good stuff. ANY major league hitter can hit a fastball. He is, hopefully, going to be good, but we better not ruin him.

  • Greg

    It is so huge to go into this series with a 1 game lead. If somehow we can win the series we'll be right back to where we were before this minor slump. Rest up boys! It's gonna be a fun week!

  • Cory

    That was an exciting finish with the Shark throwing some NASTY stuff up there, what a catch by Hollywood! The Brewers are getting clobbered and we should all feel better.

  • Bryan

    Now that was pitching. Gee, someone who can throw strikes. Can you say "goodbye" Howry.

  • Matt Haggard

    Great win.



    Feel good win.



    Screw the Brew!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    NATION REPRESENT!



    CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!

  • Neil

    JIM EDMONDS!!!!! What a CATCH!!!



    The Shark....6 up, 6 down. 1st career save in second big league game

  • baron

    HOLLYWOOD!!! HOT DAMN

  • jj

    wow that catch was crazy

  • baron

    that last pitch to Hermida was FILTHY

  • jj

    if the shark finishes the game ou when go u guys think he will next be avaliable? tuesday?

  • Austin

    I think Marmol is unavailable....

  • Neil

    JJ...I think start with the Shark.



    Marmol is not available today.

  • jj

    and i think the cubs easily lead the mlb with the least "tack on runs"

  • jj

    and actually i would rather have someone else close the game out im sure were going to need the shark in the brewrs series so have eyre close and if he stuggles bring in marmol? and this lindstrom guy can really bring it

  • agustin rexach

    Shark Attack! I like this guy

  • jj

    1 more inning from jeff?

  • Matt Haggard

    What I like about Len and Bob is that they polarize each other.



    Len is the sabermatician. Bob is the spur of the moment guy. Two different styles and they bounce things off each other really well.



    And I love me some Sneaky Powered Pocket Rocket!

  • Austin

    I would give Pat and Ron a 10. They are hands down the best to me. Just perfect together...



    Good start for Jeff ND

  • Austin

    Nate, as for Len and Bob, together I'd give them an 8. I think they are very fair and objective in their broadcasts and don't get in the way of the game. They do their homework and always come prepared. For the most part say smart things, (they're only human), and they have developed good chemistry. Plus...Len went to Marquette.

  • agustinrexach

    wow finally!!let's hold this please.

  • Neil

    By the way....Len & Bob get a 8 from me. I think they do a great job. Pat Hughes is my favorite.

  • Lew

    Now let's take advantage of that gaff by Cantu.

  • jj

    all in favor of fontenot being the number 1 pinch hit man?

  • Neil

    Gotta keep tacking on....

  • baron

    Fontenot!!!



    Man, Marquis gets rocked and the Cubs win... Harden dominates and can't get 2 runs... Go figure

  • Austin

    LITTLE BABE RUTH is right!! Gotta love Ronny: "Little Babe Ruth, how bout that!"





    HOW BOUT THAT!!!!

  • Neil

    LITTLE BABE RUTH!!!!

  • Duas

    Little Babe Ruth!!

  • Lew

    Nice hit Mike!!!

  • Trevor

    I'll throw my two cents in about the Len and Bob....



    I've always liked them for the most part. I'd give Bob an 8 or 9 and Len a 7. Bob gives great relevant coaching experience info and I don't think he is a kiss up. I think he tells it pretty straight but without coming off as bitter as Stoney did.



    I like Pat Hughes better than Len by far, just something about Pat's voice and demeanor is better. Santo is fun to listen to occasionally but sentimental feelings aside, I don't think he really adds a lot to the broadcast.





    MEANWHILE: THAT'S THE WAY LEE!!!!

  • Neil

    Kosuke...bad at bat, first pitch swinging.



    Will Piniella call on Ward to hit for Blanco?

  • Matt Haggard

    Jason B!!!



    Haha!



    That was great!



    Not a great bunt...

  • Neil

    Why?!?! Why?!?! Jimmy Ballgame with a bad decision.

  • agustin rexach

    How is you call that Crow?

    DLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

  • Neil

    DERREK LEE!!!!!! number 17



    Ramirez with a single to right...

  • Jason B. from AZ

    I can read lips, and I am fairly certain Lee said this, as he crossed home plate: "how you like them apples, Nate?"

  • Lew

    Thanks D Lee. I needed that.

  • jj

    man you guys gotta get off d lees back YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • Neil

    LET'S GO OFFENSE, LET'S GO (clap, clap, clap, clap, clap)!!!!!!!!!

  • Lew

    Geez, I didn't mean to kill the conversation here with a movie trivia question.



    Let's get something going here, Cubbies.

  • Nate in FL

    It's simple really...it's encouraging to watch Ramirez and Soriano because you know that even if they are struggling, they come up with big hits. You know that when you are watching them take their at-bat that they have a chance of coming up with a big hit with runners on. And simply put, you know Lee won't. He just won't.

  • Lew

    Jeff I also like the reference, but wasn't the Grey's Sports Almanac only up to 2000? Or did it go all the way to 2015?

  • Nate in FL

    Lol agustin...



    That's what Cubs fans do. It's our pathetic attempt at reverse psychology, thinking that if we say "we don't care if they win or lose" that it increases the chances of God allowing the Cubs to get there.

  • Nate in FL

    Well, jj, that's because most of the time, they ARE home runs.

  • agustin rexach

    Jason B, I like your prediction...but how can you say you don't care if we win or not as long as we get there? YOU DO, I KNOW YOU!

  • Neil

    Jeff....great Back to the Future reference!

  • Gary

    If Soriano and Ramirez get it going, then there is light at the end of the tunnel. I felt it coming for Soriano, becuase he had been making good contact and not striking out (more than usual). I still despise Marquis though.

  • jj

    am i the only one who whenever someone hits a fly ball off marquis thinks its a homer?

  • Nate in FL

    I love Brenly, and would give him a 7.



    I'd give Len a 1. I think he is absolutely awful. Len Kasper as the Chicago Cubs broadcaster. Are you kidding me.......he was the best?



    Jason...lol, I agree whole-heartedly though I think Brenly truly does care (he was there years ago in the booth with Harry).



    Have you guys ever listened to Pat and Ron. Talk about passion...lol RON.



    Oh, and Steve Stone - 10 as a color analyst. He is by far the best in the game (McCarver is in 2nd). By far...you'll learn more in 5 seconds than you would an entire week with Brenly - and I like Brenly. Len is always talking about things that have NOTHING to do with the game and I swear it seems like he is not even watching. He never sticks up for the team, as he is scared to do so. Every call is the right call, every strike must actually be a strike because the "umpire said so". Any announcer that repeatedly resorts to talking about articles of clothing should not be the Cubs announcer.



    If you can't find someone better to replace Len, why not Pat Hughes with Stone/Brenly. I understand Ron is a little too vocal and unpredictable for TV, but I love him. The Cubs have too much history to have Len as our broadcaster. Think about how much Pat loves the Cubs and their history. With the Cubs, its about passion, not about a "good voice".

  • agustin rexach

    Marquis plain ol'sucks.

    Inning eaters=lots of runs allowed



  • agustin rexach

    Marquis plain ol'sucks.



  • jj

    man marquis that didnt take long

  • Neil

    SO-RI-ANO (clap, clap, clap, clap, clap)!!!!



    Okay....get Marquis out

  • Rob

    It was nice to tie the game at least for a few minutes.

  • Jeff in AZ

    I gotta jump ship for a family function. Hope this comeback continues. Go Cubs!

  • Gary

    If Soriano and Ramirez get it going, then there is light at the end of the tunnel. I felt it coming for Soriano, becuase he had been making good contact and not striking out (more than usual). I still despise Marquis though.

  • jj

    8-4 astros!

  • Jeff in AZ

    It wasn't as scoff Jason, remember Marquis still needs to do his part. :) I hope he does. Otherwie you truely are the chief prognosticator of Cubbie Land. How do we know that you didn't get a hold of a time machine ands steal that sports book from Biff Tannen?

  • Jason B. from AZ

    Ok guys...time to jump on the Jason B. from AZ prediction bandwagon.



    I am on fire this year.



    I am fairly sure I predicted the Rich Harden trade back in April or May...so way ahead of the curve on that one.



    I predicted Soriano would redeem himself after his return from injury in April, and he was out of this world.



    I predicted Lee was a solid player, but likely would never return to the 2005 form, whether it was his concern for his daughter, or his wrist injury, and finally his age.



    I predicted today's comeback as well, to which my counterpart in AZ, Jeff, scoffed at (oh ye of little faith!).



    So here are my final two predictions:



    Aramis will finish the year at .290+ (so you do the math and figure out what he has to hit the rest of the way). In other words, he is going to have a nice long hot streak, at the same time as Soriano.



    The Cubs will make the World Series, thanks to Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, and Dempster.



    I can't predict if they will win the World Series or not, but I don't really care if they do or not anyway...just as long as they get there.

  • Nate in FL

    Lee will get a single because there are 2 outs and no one on.

  • agustin rexach

    brewers are loosing. I have to say I did not expected that from sori!!!

  • jj

    hes back?

  • Jeff in Az

    SorianoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  • Jason B. from AZ

    They just showed Lee Smith. Only man in baseball to walk as slow as Lou Piniella. Except Lee did it from the bullpen...so a much longer walk as well.



    I think Len and Bob are kiss-asses. I very rarely listen to the game, but when I have, that was the impression I got. I also have the mlb.com package, so I don't always get the Cubs announcers anyway. Typically I have the game running on my computer while other stuff is going on, so sound is not essential.



    I think Chip was sort of dorky, but it came off as genuine. And you knew Stone was telling you what was on his mind, but he did it in a thoughtful way, and a way in which the fans could relate easily.

  • Lew

    NICE

  • Jeff in Az

    lets to cubbies!!!!

  • Nate in FL

    Oh, and by the way...I live in FL now and have to deal with the Marlins.



    You think you hate the Marlins................lol.

  • Matt Haggard

    8, Nate.'



    I love the guys.

  • GaryLeeT

    Since Edmonds had not played in a week I don't think I would have batted him 5th.

  • Nate in FL

    OKAY - I'M VERY CURIOUS:



    POLL:



    On a scale of 1 - 10, how would you rate Len and Bob as our WGN commentators? (10 is the best) Rate each commentator separately if you want.





    Lol, not that anyone cares, but I won't let you know what I think just yet...

  • Nate in FL

    Mark:



    Real quick. You're wrong. They had one solid hit in that first inning. Cantu, Hanley hit a 20 bounce ground ball up the middle. That was awful pitch calling on Soto's part. AWFUL. Cantu, in that at-bat alone, was showing a extreme propensity to pull the fastball on the outside corner, and hit it extremely well, though foul, a couple times before he got the hit. Soto was continually calling for the fastball on the outside corner. Samardzija never shook Soto off. Why? It's his major league debut, like he was going to shake him off! Cantu had already shown that he was swinging at the breaking ball low and away. Soto called for 5 or 6 fastballs on the outside corner.



    He gave up one run on 2 hits. Only one hit was hit well.



    Look at the second inning. Dominant. Watch him today when he comes in, he'll be dominant.

  • Jason B. from AZ

    I just remembered why I disliked Hendry acquiring DeRosa for him to be a starter at 2B, despite his career .277 average and 15 career SBs.



    He is mediocre at best, but a good utility/bench guy.



    The fact that DeRosa starts, along with a 40+ yr old Edmonds, just proves Hendry always wants to catch lightning in a bottle, instead of going for the sure thing (with the exception of the Soriano signing).



    I miss Chip Carey.

    Still a travesty that the attitude of the 2004 team led to Stone and Chip's departure. What a shame.



    Hey...they are talking to Larry. Did they ask him how he keeps his job, when he can't develop talent (Rich Hill), that players regress under his watch (Marmol), and that pitchers can't stay healthy on his watch (Guzman, Wood, Prior)?



    Hopefully he at least autographed some towels...

  • Jeff in Az

    Only hope for a comeback will depend on Marquis ability to pretend he is a major league pitcher for a couple innings.

  • Nate in FL

    Jeff:



    I can easily understand why my comment on Edmonds would seem unwarranted but I'll tell you why it's not.



    It ISN'T because of who we could be playing instead. Obviously he isn't usually in the lineup against lefties, when Reed is in Center and Fukudome/Derosa is in right.



    Okay, so what about when a right-handed SP is on the mound? We have Fukudome solidly in right, Soriano solidly in Left. Center is open. Easy decision. Why cling to a 280,000 idea right now who is barely healthy when we have the possibility of a solid major leaguer in the bat of Hoff? There would be no pressure on Hoffpauir which could allow him to do even better than I would expect him to do. I do agree though - we already have gotten our money's worth. I like Edmonds, and he has had some huge hits for us. We don't have to release him, but compare the upside for Edmonds and the upside for Hoff (all this is under the assumption you put Fukudome in Center). You can't possibly tell me Edmonds' upside wins. Then, compare the downside. Sentimentally it makes sense, I also want Edmonds to do well, but when you approach the problem with the preceding mindset, it becomes more clear.



    By the way, by no means release him. It just seems like we're clinging to the idea of Edmonds and the possibility of him hitting 15 HR's in the second half. Hoffpauir has been overlooked the whole year. He was leapt over by the showcased trade bait in the form of Eric P and Matt M. The Cubs always have had a problem committing to young hitters, especially in recent years. Speaking of Edmonds, he is getting cookies right now and he is missing them. The young hitters have to be great, and great immediately and consistently for us to commit to them (Soto). At the very least, Hoffpauir deserves a chance.

  • Jason B. from AZ

    hrumph...



    Ok...how about a DeRosa HR here?

  • Jason B. from AZ

    how about an opposite field HR for Edmonds here?

  • Jason B. from AZ

    I was going to predict a comeback before Lee and Ramirez got their RBIs...



    no...really.

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Another miserable day!

  • Cory

    4-1 brewers bottom of 3rd....this sucks

  • Mark

    Why is there all this tralk about bringing up Samardzija? He's up now and blew the game 2 days ago. He has a great arm, but look what the Marlins did with his 95+ fastball....they hit it. To be an effective major league pitcher, you have to develop ie. changeup, slider, along with confidence and experience getting yourself out of situations etc. to be effective. He's not ready. He'll have his chance but I wouldn't have put him in the game like we did on Fri. You put him in when you have a 3-4 or more run lead or if trailing by the same.

  • Rob

    Bottom of the 3rd. Brewers 4 Astros 1



    Perhaps Lou should save the bullpen and accept the loss today and keep the arms rested for the Brewers series

  • jj

    i dont think ive ever been so depressed as a cubs fan

  • Cory

    Good God!

  • Rob

    Game over.



    at least i can get my workout in a little earlier and before it gets to 100 degrees.

  • ZTH

    Well, I STILL hate the Marlins.

  • GaryLeeT

    And now....your second place Chicago Cubs.

  • Matt Haggard

    I've always said Marquis had the stuff to give some quality bullpen outs.



    I just worry about his mentality to thrive under pen pressure.



    But thats a move that I've wanted as well.

  • Jeff in Az

    At least we are making this guy throw some pitches. :)

  • Jeff in Az

    After Woody's blister heals, I would love to see Marshall in the rotation with Marquis in the pen. Eyre is back so we can afford to make that move. If Marquis doesn't like it, that is two bad.

  • Jeff in AZ

    I think we are going to get to this guy second time through the order.

  • Matt Haggard

    'fraid not. =(



    3 year deal.

  • Rob

    is this the last year of Marquis's contract?

  • Rob

    so the offense has barely been able to score 2 runs in most of the losses since the break...hmm...i'm trying to get used to the taste of 2nd place...doesn't taste good...



    Harold Reynolds, commentating on TBS, is noting how Marquis is using one lane for his pitches (inside to rightys and outside to leftys)...and the Marlins have figured that out. can we get Gallagher back?

  • GaryLeeT

    Marquis has always been a mental midget. I think Marshall or Samardzija could easily out perform him.

  • Matt Haggard

    Marquis however, is a different story...

  • Jeff in Az

    I think the Edmonds comment was unwarranted Nate. He hasn't even played in about a week to do a sore knee, and I believe that we have already gotten our 280,000 dollars worth.

  • Matt Haggard

    Nate, get off the rooftop.



    He's hitting .280-ish as a Cub. He's a couple of days removed from a HR in a losing effort. Hollywood is fine. He's been off as he was injured and before that he was hitting.



    Man, we're attracting the extremists lately..



    Lets dont get crazy, people. Just relax.

  • Jeff in Az

    Why does Marquis still have a job in the majors?

  • Nate in FL

    It's time to end the Edmonds idea. He was doing well for a while, but we can't afford to wait for him to "find it, AGAIN". Fukudome/Reed in Center, Hoffpauir (PLEASE GET HIM SOME DANG PLAYING TIME)/Derosa/Fukudome in Right, Soriano in Left.



    I can't wait to see what Samardzija does in a starters role. He's the future NL version of Justin Verlander (his breaking balls/off-speed induce ground balls AND SO's). When Harden needs that extra day, put Jeff in. With the Cubs it never really mattered how well the SP was doing, as evidenced in the play of the Cubs over the last week or so, so why should it make a difference if every now and then we have a 6 man rotation when we have 12 consecutive games with no offday?



    Go Cubs. Please win, my hatred for the Brewers grows more and more with every passing minute. Ryan Bug-Eye Braun........really though, I just threw up a little.



    YEAH! MARQUIS! LOVE YA MARQUIS. FIRST TWO ON , NO OUT! 3-2 to the next guy! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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