Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Diamondbacks - 10/06/07

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Game Three - National League Division Series
Cubs (85-77) vs. Diamondbacks (90-72) - Best of Five - D'Backs Lead Series, 2-0
Game Time - 5:00pm C.T. TBS, WGN Radio, XM Radio Channel 174/184/188
Location - Wrigley Field, Chicago

Rich Hill (11-8, 3.92/1.19) vs. Livan Hernandez (11-11, 4.93/1.60)

It is simple for Lou Piniella's crew today, win and play on Sunday, lose and....well that's not really an option is it? Lou Piniella said on Friday, "All we need to do is win one game at a time, not three games tomorrow." While Piniella's decisions have been second-guessed throughout the series, he is right and Piniella has the experience, and the resume, to backup his statement. Granted there has not been a National League team to overcome a 0-2 hole in the NLDS, there have been four American League teams to rebound from dropping the first two games....one of those teams, Lou Piniella's 1995 Seattle Mariners.

The players need to relax today, play the game and most importantly have fun and who knows, maybe win a game.

Lou Piniella said on Friday that Jason Kendall would make the start behind the plate today. Kendall hits Livan Hernandez very well and his calm, cool demeanor could be exactly what the young Mr. Hill needs. However, with Kendall behind the plate the Cubs must realize the D'Backs will run, run and run again once they reach base. They have to be willing to allow this to happen and focus on making good pitches and good decisions in the field.

Rich Hill is 6-2 with a 4.26 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP at Wrigley this year in 15 starts. Hill is 3-1 in his last 6 games with a 5.08 ERA and is coming off one of his best starts of the year in Cincinnati against the Reds. He threw a gem, 6 innings of 1-hit shutout ball on just 79 pitches. Hill must not beat himself today and his team needs the "good" Rich Hill to show up today.

Hill received a no-decision the only time he faced the Diamondbacks this year. He gave up 2 runs, 1 earned, on 6 hits in 6 innings with 6 strikeouts and 4 walks. Hill is 1-1 in 4 career starts against the D'Backs with a 4.13 ERA and a 1.33 WHIP.

The Cubs will get their first look of the season at Livan Hernandez today. Hernandez is coming off a difficult year and has struggled on the road. Hernandez is 4-8 with a 5.19 ERA and a 1.68 WHIP in 17 starts away from Chase Field. He had a solid August (3-2 with a 3.60 ERA in 6 starts) but struggled in September. Hernandez is 2-2 in his last 5 starts with a 6.67 ERA. He has not given up less than 3 earned runs in his last 5 outings and has given up 20 hits and 7 earned runs in his last 10 innings. Today will be his first start since September 26th.

Hernandez is 10-6 in 19 career starts against the Cubs with a 4.02 ERA and a 1.36 WHIP. Last year the Cubs split the 2 games against Hernandez, 1-1 with a 3.46 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP.

  • Mark DeRosa - 5-13, with 2 doubles and 2 RBI's
  • Cliff Floyd - 14-41, with 3 doubles, 2 home runs and 8 RBI's
  • Jacque Jones - 3-9, with a double
  • Derrek Lee - 8-33, with 2 doubles, a triple, a home run and 2 RBI's
  • Jason Kendall - 11-31, with a double, a triple and 3 RBI's
  • Aramis Ramirez - 10-26, with 3 doubles, 4 home runs and 9 RBI's
  • Alfonso Soriano - 3-12
  • Daryle Ward - 6-13, with a RBI

Let's Talk Cubs Baseball....

  • nick

    Aaron,

    That is pretty cool you got to meet those guys.

    I think you are right about us going after A-Rod if he is available, and after reading some of his agents comments as well as his, he might be.

    As far as Prior, i would love to see him back in the rotation. I love his fire and passion he showed, especially after he plunked Bonds, and Bonds took a couple steps towards him, and Prior didn't back down. I would love a Starting rotation of Big Z, Lilly, Prior, Hill, and maybe Hart. With a front four of those guys you could put Marquis as your fifth starter.

  • Aaron

    Nick,

    I had the chance to hang out with Edgar, Charles Johnson, and a few other Marlins minor leaguers many years ago when they were playing in Kane County and my dad worked for the stadium. I can honestly say that while he barely spoke a lick of English, he was one of the nicest guys around.....and one of the worst was Hector Carrasco (who might still be in the majors...I don't know), but we won't get into that.....

    anyways, I know firsthand that he is a great guy. Has his fame changed that? I don't know, but I suspect that he still is a great guy.

    I think he's still the Braves property, so I suspect that it will cost the Cubs quite a bit to get him.

    If you take a look at his average numbers, you'll see that he hits around .290, .350 OBP, 10 hr 70 rbi, 60 BB, 80 k's.....

    I'd take that anyday over Theriot's numbers, but only if we can't get AROD to play SS

    Realistically, what do I think will happen?

    I believe that whatever owner comes in, will ensure that the Cubs win next year at all costs. I believe that if AROD is available, we'll go after him. I think Marquis, Ohman, Blanco, Fontenot, Dempster, Floyd, and Monroe will all be gone next year.

    As I stated before, my hunch is that they'll give Prior a chance to take Marquis' place, with someone like Hart filling in for Ohman, without Blanco, you either sign another vet, or give Tony Ritchie a shot to back-up, Fontenot should be replaced by Hatteberg, Dempster could be replaced by Nathan, and Floyd and Monroe could be replaced by Dunn and either Eric Patterson or Micah Hoffpauir

  • nick

    Aaron,

    What would you think about trying to trade for Edgar Renteria?

  • Aaron

    Jim,

    I think you're right on with Kendall, Floyd, and Ohman....I think Dempster Jones, and Marquis are definitely gone, but Marshall and Murton still have options, and I don't think any teams----save maybe Boston, would even be interested in Murton. Minimal power, average speed, GIDP machine, and average OBP, I don't think we'll have too many takers---likewise for Jones, virtually same description.

    As long as Hendry is GM though, no way he trades Murton. I always thought we should've traded Murton for Pena when we had a chance---especially with his power upside (RF who can mash lefties?)

    I think you're right on about the AROD situation too, which is why I said that and that Teixeira would also be tough (I actually heard he was a FA though after this year....can we substantiate that?)

    Luis Castillo would be ABSOLUTELY perfect for 2B, and would allow us to bat him behind Soriano, which we know it is essential to have a true leadoff type in the 2 hole since Soriano swings at everything, and you need to prepare for the inevitable strikeout from him. I just don't know what other option we'd have at SS if AROD can't be had. Any ideas? I don't think Cedeno or Theriot are options. Can we bring back Izzy? Ha ha...j/k....As far as I know, we have no other options, other than perhaps Robinson Chirinos from single-A.

    I think we might go after Fukodome for RF. Other guys we should consider for the team,include: Scott Hatteberg, Aaron Fultz, Kaz Matsui, Matt Herges, Jeremy Affeldt, Fransisco Cordero, Geoff Jenkins, Bobby Abreu, Tadahito Iguchi, Jon Lieber, JC Romero, Mike Cameron, Chris Reitsma, Jose Guillen, and scout some serious Japanese pitching

    Personally, I'd make Hatteberg, Kaz Matsui, JC Romero, and Fukodome priorities

  • Matt Haggard

    Lets sleep on it a couple nights before we lose our minds here.

    No reason to blow up a team that won 85 games. Were a tinker or two away, I think we all believe that.

    I love the Cubs, and I love the CCO. This season has been fun.

    Cant wait to chatter Hot Stove with all you!

  • JIm (Tinley Park)

    aaron:

    That is a nice team that you have asembled.

    Texiera isn't available. He will be in his walk year

    in 2008. arod would be a wet dream I just don't think that a new owner will be in place in time for Free agency. Unless Boras strikes a deal in February

    a la Greg Maddux Hmmm. We need a Right Fielder who can crush the ball and hit lefties. I don't know about Wood as a starter, I would love to give him a shot as closer though.

    Tade bait: Dempster, Jones, Theriot, Murton, Marshall, Marquis.

    Adios: Kendall, Floyd, Ohman.

    Stay in touch, I like your fire.

  • Aaron

    Neil,

    Excellent work this year.....that's awesome, for a sometimes thankless detail, but you and Brian, and Jason, and Thomas, all did a great job, and I'm proud to have found a great site like this to come to when I feel like I'm losing my mind during the season....

    I hope when the offseason begins, we can all celebrate a new owner of the team

  • Trevor

    Well that sucked.

    Thanks for the season guys. Now we have until the season starts again to debate whom we should acquire.

  • agustin rexach

    Sad, unimaginable pain to be feeling when this is supposed to be fun. That is the price to pay for being passionate. I know a lot here feel the same way. I'll keep posted. Neil/CCO...it is an honor to share a season with you. Thanks for your work!

    To my pals;the REGULARS...LOVE from Puerto Rico

  • baron

    Anyway, it is what it is....



    I want to again thank and all CCO regulars... Here's hoping for the addition of another star bat this offseason.... And praying for a Mark Prior return, and a healthy Woodie in the starting rotation...



    Z, Lilly, Prior, Wood, Hill -- thats pretty good...

    Even a star bat can't be gotten -- I see that guys like Luis Castillo and Marcus Giles are gonna be free-agents -- ill take one of them types...

  • Aaron

    well, in my final post of the season, I will tell you what my opinion of next year's roster should be...and other things....

    -replace Gerald Perry

    -Piniella will probably walk away because he cannot stand poor fundamental baseball, which you could clearly see he was visibly upset about the whole year

    -Sandberg or Girardi will take the helm

    -Selig's butt buddy will take over the team, and drive it into the ground because it's a conspiracy the Sox have against us

    -Cuban would be the best choice

    if it were my choice, we'd have the following team:

    SP: Z, Lilly, Hill, Wood (if healthy enough to start), and either Hart/Gallagher/Veal

    BP: Eyre, Howry, Prior (maybe he can pull a Wood?), Linebrink, a rookie that impresses in st, Marmol, and Joe Nathan as closer

    Bench: Eric Patterson, Ward, Kendall/Fox/Ritchie, Hoffpauir, Theriot

    Lineup:

    Soriano(LF)

    DeRosa(2B)

    Teixeira(1B)

    AROD(SS)

    ARAM(3B)

    Dunn(RF)

    Rowand(CF)

    Soto(C)

    reasoning: Lee K's way too much for what he produces. I don't want to even check because I'm worn out, but I believe he's only had 1 100 rbi season. If you K that much, you cannot be counted on to produce, plus your power stroke is completely MIA at a power position. Theriot is NOT an everyday player as we all have noticed. Most of us on here all had man crushes on him because we thought he'd continue to scrap, but his GIDP's, like Lee's, like Murton's, and like Jones' absolutely KILLED the team at crucial times, which is why they are replaced by AROD, Teixeira, Dunn, and Rowand respectively.

    While Teixeira K's about as much as Lee, he has better overall stats in terms of power and OBP.

    AROD vs Theriot....hmmmm...don't even need to go there

    Rowand vs Jones....better speed, great grinder type of player, a slightly better overall OBP and better avg

    Dunn vs Floyd/Murton/etc.....high K's that CAN be fixed, believe it or not, high OBP, takes pitches, and is ALWAYS a huge, huge power threat, and with a little work, his defense will be better than Floyd and Murton were

    Overall, those moves should be doable, specifically Dunn and Rowand will be relatively easy, whereas AROD and Teixeira will be really difficult to pry away

    this team needs more clutch performers, and we need someone to light a fire.....Piniella proved he's tired and old, which is precisely why I think he's going to quit anyway

    I think Pie won't have a shot next year unless he figures out the strike zone and how to hit a major league fastball. If he goes to winter ball somewhere and earns his stripes, then maybe you give him consideration instead of signing Rowand. But he seemed way overmatched and his confidence was seriously damaged by Cubs management this year. I think the bench moves of Patterson and Hoofpauir will go a long way to producing productive young players in our system, and maybe they can gel well with other young guys like Theriot, Soto, and the other veterans.

    I think Rowand and Dunn would be great influences on the younger players, but it's pretty clear that this team had NO leader. Lee would've been the clear cut leader, but he wasn't at all.

    Anyway, comments on this would be great. It was a pleasure debating with you all this year.....Let's hope we get the ownership figured out fast, or we're SCREWED next year as well.

  • baron

    Chad,

    Unlike most of you guys who are life-long fans, I today celebrated a decade as a die-hard Cubs fan...

    On your suggestion, I'm starting a collection drive to buy the Cubs.. The CCO board should collectively become the Cubs GM......

    poor performing players should be sent to Siberia... Underachievers should wash cars.....

    I jest!!



    If the Bears lose to the Packers tomorrow, I'm not watching Sports till the Bowl games and March Madness..



  • Chad

    Booing sure has helped the city of Philadelphia.

  • Boseph Heyden

    Jokingly or not? Obviously it was joking. If I was serious, I would've gone a lot further than turning over the Cubs automobiles. But heck, I suppose what I should do is go to Wrigley tommorow and hand out good sportsmanship trophies to the team because, by-golly, they tried so hard. Would I be a good representative to the Cubs Nation then?

    That was sarcasm, FYI. I feel obligated to mention that because it doesn't seem like you would get that if I didn't say that. The Cubs sucked. It's inexcusable playing. In the entire series, we scored TWO legitimate runs off a homerun by Geovany Soto. The RBI's we scored were pathetic, our play was pathetic, and you'll have to forgive me if I'm not applauding their effort and taking the loss. IT'S BEEN 100 YEARS! 100! AND THIS TEAM WAS PUT TOGETHER TO GET MAKE SURE IT STAYED 99! WE ARE NOW A JOKE OFFICIALLY! And you know what? Maybe next year "Cubs Nation" will wise up and start booing players when they play like they're just out there for fun and not getting paid for it. We need to make a lot of changes, both personnel wise and fan wise.

  • Neil

    Hey guys, don't wish anybody harm. Remember Brian's words.... Stay Classy Cubs Fans!!

    Thanks to everyone. I have something planned and will have the recap up soon.

  • Jimbo

    There it is. Ladies and Gentlemen of CCO, as sad as I am to see this season come to a conclusion, I just want to thank you for your entertainment Ive had this year on this site. Cubs fans are truly the best in all the world, and though Im a little ticked at them right now, I still will remain a Cubs fan.

    Now, I can begin focusing more on the plight of the Bears.

    By the way, the way I see it, let sweet Lou and the brass do a little tinkering in the off-season, and let the big 3 hitters think about this opportunity that got away, and I think we are going to come out next year on fire.

    Remember, you heard it here first.

    Everyone, take care, and drive safe in the snow. Talk to you in March!

  • Scott

    Boseph, that's an incredibly irresponsible thing to say. You are not, in my mind, representing Cubs Nation well at all by recommending rioting. Jokingly or not, it's wrong.

  • Chad

    You guys are out of control. Now you are promoting violence because your team lost a game. A GAME!

    You guys that take this too seriously need to seek help.

  • Boseph Heyden

    And see ya later Kendall. Rot in hell on some other team.

  • Boseph Heyden

    That wasn't all at second. A good amount of those numbers came in the outfield and at first and at third. Who should he have played at second? Fontenot. And when he started struggling? Cedeno. And when Lou finally got the hint that he was a AAAA player? Jake Fox or Scott Moore. There is a bevy of infielders that could've plugged in that hole. And one of them would've given us the offensive boom we need from an every day starter. DeRosa is a necessity, because he will play every day at every position.

    I really just hope the Cubs fans react accordingly to this shit play. If we were to just get a riot that involved destroying the automobiles of the entire Cubs staff, that would suffice.

  • Chad

    DeRosa hit .293 with an OBP of .371 with 10 HR and 72 RBI...who in the heck should Lou have played at 2nd instead of DeRosa??

  • Scott

    You know what guys, we can sit here and complain and moan all we want. We can over-analyze this thing to death.

    The bottom line is that the players at the top of the order were horrible when it came to situational hitting. Hell, hitting period. They for whatever reason were wound tighter than a drum and just couldn't do their job.

    One could argue that a manager should have sensed that and tried to shake them up, but one could also argue that these are grown men, who know what they are supposed to do, and who WERE doing it no more than four or five days prior to the start of this series.

    It's not a curse, it's not a lot of things.

    It is what it is, and that is SAD. It's a sad day to be a Cubs fan.

    Neil, thanks again for ALL your hard work. You do a great job not only running the site, but putting up with us and our passionate posts.

    Take care all, and let's hope we can do a better job with a new owner. Whom I hope is Mark Cuban.

    I'm out....

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Damm, this reminds of 1998 vs the Braves,

    Morandini, Henry Rodriguez etc. Geez, put me out of my misery.

  • Boseph Heyden

    I appreciate DeRosa filling in, I really do. But that's all he should've done for us. Those games where he'd fill in for an injured player, or if he was playing the Reds, he was amazing. The rest of the time? Meh. Unfortunately, this is becoming clear that our MANAGER, of all people, is just not playing people correctly. This is like the Bears offense and how Ron Turner has no clue how to build his offense around his players and their talents.

    Here's the lowdown: Dusty got us to the playoffs. Then we barely missed the Wild Card the next year. And the next year, we barely missed 500. And his last year, he barely missed anything resembling an actual baseball team. We need to be prepping an Anti-Lou bandwagon that's so vocal that when we miss the postseason next year, we don't give him the chance to cost us a winning record and then hand us a shitty season. We should hold off on it until halfway through next season, but it is an absolute necessisty. The sad part is that now that we've gone with Lou, we've lost the chance to go with Girardi, so our options for the rebuilding year we need to have very soon are down to Ryno, which isn't necessarily a BAD thing.

  • Chad

    baron,

    Why don't you buy the Cubs? Your do or die attitude would help. I'm certain you have more than enough money; you would never accept mediocrity. Get your app in ASAP.

  • Cory

    I don't think you should be ripping on DeRosa. He played RF,3rd,2nd and I think 1st and played well. Don't crusify him because he hit into that doubleplay.

  • baron

    The punishment for defeat has to be merciless....

    Sympathy is for losers... period!!

  • baron

    Theriot, Pie, Soto, Soriano, and maybe Lee are keepers...

    Fontenot, Floyd, De Rosa need to be bounced....

    When you compare Fontenot to Chris Young, or Tulowitzki, or Pedroia -- its embarrasing.. he looks like he should carry their bat bags, rather than hold a bat himself...

    ARAM needs to be send back San Pedro De Marcorsi..

  • baron

    someone said there is no way we can blow up this offense... are you kidding... do you simply get giddy by somehow scraping into the playoffs in the NL Central???

    pardon my french, but this offense has been MEDIOCRE the entire year... sorry, never good, sometimes adequate, but never good....

    You have to have 1 thing, power or speed.... These baby Dbacks hit 20 HR more than the Cubs this year....

    We have 2 20-25 SB type guys.... hardly overwhelming..

    we have 1 guy with 30 HR, 1 with 25, 1 with 22, the rest with under 12....

    On a positive note, our pitching has been TERRIFIC for much of the year... This team resembles the Chicago Bears more than you would like to admit....

    Sometimes, the offense does just enough to get a win... the rest of the time, they make rookies, old men and all lefties look like Cy Young...



    THIS OFFENSE needs to be blown up ... I said it.....

  • Boseph Heyden

    There's another Double Play. The Diamondbacks AREN'T good! They play really shitty baseball! And they'll probably be swept by the Rockies! You know what? I'm tired of being forgiving to certain players on this team. Baseball is about how you play right through the end of October, so when you don't perform at all in October, you are a crap baseball player. I hope Cuban gets the Cubs for a new reason now. I hope that, with the exception of Fontenot, Theriot, Soto, Marmol, Hill (because he actually looked like he CARED about being taken out and his performance) and Hart, and Zambrano, the ONLY Cub that actually performed well, he fires EVERYONE. You can build on those guys listed aboev now that they have postseason experience. But Ramirez? Lee? Floyd? Soriano? They've all been here before and they're just going through the motions. Screw em all.

  • Mark

    Sweep out the f-ing trash. This is the worst i've seen in along time. Loveable losers....maybe next year?

  • Matt Haggard

    Santo has been hopeful, dissapointed, but remaining hopeful.

  • Matt Haggard

    Na, I dont even really know what youre talkin about Neil, haha.

    I said that because even though I feel horrible about this. Hearing Ron on WGN, and hearing him sing, just makes me feel just a little better.

  • Aaron

    and poor Ron Santo.....my goodness....he deserves to be announcing a team that actually delivers for him after all he's been through. Talk about a sad sad day if he doesn't see the Cubs win a championship.

    I can't get the WGN signal where I'm at. What's Santo been like?

  • Neil

    Matt...I do too. I hope my comment did not reflect I do not like him.

    Aaron....sorry, I had to remove a couple of your exclamation marks...messed up the page.

  • Matt Haggard

    I really love Ron Santo..

  • Aaron

    Boseph, I've been saying it all year man.......we had a stretch in late June and July where we played playoff caliber baseball, but the other 3/4 of the year we played terrible baseball....backing our way into the playoffs. It was said on here, "well, I'll take backing in anyday." Really? Do you really feel that way right now? I actually think that we set ourselves back by being anihilated in the playoffs this year. For crying out loud, just to make the damn playoffs, we had to have Milwaukee lose....Do you remember that? We were awful. We were terrible in the last game too.

    Remember when the Bears made the playoffs in '05, and Lovie took out all the starters in the last game, and they got smeared? Well, that's what happened to us. All the subs got in, which took away any momentum we had from Pittsburgh and Cincinatti, and we've gotten destroyed-====flat our destroyed in the playoffs.

    Did we deserve to be here? Hell no, and if you think we did, then you're sorely mistaken. We had to have other teams lose just to get in.

    I am so sick of this shit I am going to explode.

    I would've rather had the season end than be at the point where we are now, where there was actually a glimmer of hope we could go far. That hope is gone, and you are out of your mind if you think the Cubs will come back in this one after the abysmal showing they've had this game.

    For crying out loud, Augie "roids" Ojeda almost took us deep, and we can't even get runners in with less than 2 out and RISP....Hell, bases loaded, 1 out, and GIDP nation, here we come.

    How fitting that it's 1-2-3, approximately the inning after all of our hope went out the door. The Cubs body language shows it.

    DeRosa should've been benched for that crap. It was at his shoe tops and the guy just WALKED THE DAMN BASES LOADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and he throws you 3 straight balls, you call timeout, and he throws one over your head to the back stop, and then, surprisingly you barely swing and hit a tapper to short.......WOW!!!!!!!!

    baseball IQ of negative 1 for this team.

    All the fans should send a message to the team and just walk out. They should've done that after DeRosa's GIDP, but paying $1,000 for a ticket probably would make them stay----ha ha, suckers!!!!! at least we can turn the station to college football

  • Neil

    Mr. Met, Ron Darling, chuckled at the older Cub fan when they showed her reaction after the home run by Eric Byrnes....what a classless act. He should not be allowed to work on National Television after what he just did.

    It is bad enough we have to listen to Dick Stockton and the fact Ron Santo is about to have a heart attack but to listen to an announcer chuckle at an older lady is HORRIBLE.

  • Boseph Heyden

    We're screwed. 3-1 count, bases loaded, one out, down by two? YOU DON'T TAKE A LITTLE BASEHIT SWING AT THE BALL YOU DUMB SH#$! You take a homerun swing at that ball unless it is so ridiculously out of the zone that you're going to walk unquestionably! This is the worst baseball I've ever seen. How hard is this, really? So screw you Mark DeRosa. And Ramirez. And Jones. And Soriano. And Pinella. And entire Cubs coaching staff. You screwed us over. I wish that we would've gone the rebuilding route with Girardi so our expectations weren't so damn high.

  • Cory

    Why?!??!!! Why are we all made to suffer?

  • Aaron

    so much for that fu#%Ting patience.

    ball 4 3-1 and you swing at a pitch on the shoe tops.....WOW!!!!!!

    my wife is telling me I need to turn off the game.....one, my heart is beating so fast cuz I'm so ANGRY, and two, because they don't deserve my viewership if they play this bad---according to her.

    I'm still mad as hell and it's only the 5th inning......just like it's "early in the year" blah blah blah shit shit shit....

    it's over, and they can all go to hell

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    I drank 3 Coronas that inning.

    I don't know what else to do.

  • Neil

    Another bleepin' double play.....WOW!!!

    Bases loaded, 1 out and no runs.

  • baron

    19 LOB by the box score or however many runners left that equals tonite..

  • Matt Haggard

    ...

  • baron

    OH MY MOTHER ##$#$#^%#%$ GOD!!!!!



    AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

  • Aaron

    where was all our patient hitting the first 2 games......we made it so easy on them it's ridiculous.

    Let's hope the patience continues

  • Neil

    Baron....there is your stolen base. I am with you on the power. I would take a single right now much less a home run.

  • Matt

    just wondering where you think Gerald Perry will be coaching netx year Baron

  • baron

    We have 1 HR, and 0 SB in this series... While the Dbacks hit bombs, steal bases.. willy nilly

    that means -- NO POWER, NO SPEED --

    add that to the NO CLUTCH factor, and this offensive show has been disgraceful.

  • Trevor

    Jim (tp: I wasn't trying to challenge your love for the Cubs, and I completely understand the frustration right now.

    Aaron: I completely agree with buzzing the D-backs. Seriously, they look like they are just taking a relaxing round of bp right now. Let's make THEM tense and see how they start hitting.

    The Cubs inability to get guys in who were in scoring position is maddening. Baserunners every inning and only 1 run to show for it. Good news is, we've had men on and there is a lot of game left and only a two run deficit.

    Let's get it done.

  • Neil

    Agustin...good call, they got 1 back.

  • agustin rexach

    Whuertz did a good job, nevertheless. How about we start the come back right now??? Go Cubs!!!

  • Neil

    Can the Cubs catch a break? DeRosa did double clutch the ball but....

    I really wish Piniella would have exploded!!!

  • baron

    Lou is so mellow these days... I wanted a volcanic eruption from him there....

    maybe hes just gittin old

  • Matt Haggard

    Its okay guys! =D

    We have Big Z going tomorrow in the simulated game!

  • Neil

    Aaron, but do you know why all the double plays?

  • Neil

    Hill's press conference was very impressive yesterday. He said all of the right things, but he did not pitch that way.

    This game is within reach if they would just quit pressing. None of these guys, with the exception of Kerry Wood, is playing baseball right now....

  • Aaron

    someone took it up with me on here whether or not we were grounding into too many double plays and if it was having a huge impact on our team....I contended that it was.....but they were correct----other teams have grounded into more-------problem is----OURS were far more critical.

    We get 1 out, 2 runners on in the postseason, you expect a little execution, but we haven't gotten any, ARAM and Soriano are flailing away at everything thrown their way, while D Lee has all of a sudden seemed to find a groove.

    We are self destructing. I can't take anymore of Theriot....He doesn't even seem to be running fast anymore anyways. Piniella has to send a message

  • Scott

    I hate to say it, but we really don't deserve to win. It's just a joke.

    A freaking joke.

  • agustinrexach

    Aramis is as good as A-Rod [in the post-season]

  • Neil

    Aramis has to loosen up... that is 3 LOB and I do not remember him being in a slump this big in over a year and a half.

  • baron

    ARAM looked hideous in that at-bat......

    Good God!

  • Aaron

    .....and Theriot's ground ball saga continues.....maybe Cedeno can hit it in the air on a line?

    Also, my point was proven....you heard the TBS reporter saying he talked to the D'Backs and there was absolutely no fear



    BUZZZZZZZ them inside DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!and not with soft curveballs...head hunt if you have to...geeze

  • Aaron

    ....I even made that point to our pitchers today, as we had an intrasquad game. We had 2 guys that both went yard twice, and I had to go out to the mound and explain to these guys that it isn't high school ball anymore, and you have to let guys know you mean business in college------apply that to the pros, where you have even more riding on the line, and you'll get my point.

    Anyway, the next time those 2 guys came up, they buzzed them up and in, and BOTH of them weakly grounded out

  • Aaron

    I know....he was worthless. He was an automatic out, and very very reminiscent of Cedeno, where he'd hit AAA pitching fairly well.....FAIRLY well.....because most of his years there he didn't, but there were a few + .300 seasons down there. I don't think you can attribute any of his success now to coaching.....After 14 years or so in professional baseball, and in your 14th, you all of a sudden start hitting...hmmmmmmmmmmmm

    It's like Brady Anderson going from at most 21 home runs at the time to 50.....he's the poster child for steriod use.....

    Oh, and by the way, if the Cubs grew some balls, to show teams they meant business, they should plant Chris Young, Stephen Drew, or Ojeda on the ground, writhing in pain. That's a managerial call, and it should've been made. We should've planted Young on the ground, because he's too comfortable up there.

    Those are the things that put the momentum somewhat back in your favor as you let them know they can't get too cocky....I mean, look at how cocky their dugout was after Young's home run, and Drew's hit....a message needed to be sent Thursday, and it wasn't, and it needs to be sent before we go down with a whimper

  • baron

    Oh boy!

    are we in trouble!!

  • Neil

    Good thing Ojeda stepped up against the Cubs...too bad he NEVER played this good for the Cubs. I remember a scrappy player but an easy out at the plate.

  • Aaron

    ummmmmm, yes Jim, it can, and WILL get much worse.....You think if the D'Backs got the first guy on, they'd ground right into a double play? Do you think after that if they put two more on, they fail to even swing at a ball close to the strike zone and walk shamefully back to the dugout?

    Unbelievable....It's over.....those of us on here that grew up/live/love Chicago I guess have only one team to cheer for now----the Bulls. I hear the team is going to be very good this year, and Wallace is allowed to wear his headband now, so that should at least give them a couple more wins......

    what a disaster.......i want to freakin' anihilate Augie freakin' Ojeda who probably pumped juice to even hit above his weight....hate the guy....absolutely hate him....he was worthless, and we even had Pentland when he came around before.

  • Neil

    Hey Jim....

    Does anybody have the number of the red phone in the dugout? If so, please call and tell them to quit throwing fastballs!!!

    2 runs is not going to win this game. The offense will have to outscore the D'Backs today PERIOD. Make Livan work....PLEASE!!!!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Can this get more worse?

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Zip:

    You and me, were good!

  • Zip

    Hey, Jim....

    Never once have I doubted your support for our Cubbies...or, your loyalty. Never!

    In fact, I have enjoyed your postings on this board very much! All year!

    Go Cubs!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Matt:

    Yeah, Frank is a great hitter but I don't think he has ever thought about dropping down a bunt.

  • Matt Haggard

    Anyone catching the TBS pregame show? I love and respect Ripken and Thomas, but they look plain bafoonish out there showing the bunt skills...Good lord.

  • agustin rexach

    If gay people can hit Home Runs today @ wrigley....I hope we have an extremely "Gayish" team!

    Sorry...I had to!

  • Matt Haggard

    Remember the Cubs are called the Cardiac Cubs for a reason. I wouldnt expect to win a series any other way. And if they dont win it..Well, we'll deal with that later. Haha.

    Jim, dude, that is pretty gay. But for the sake of "classiness" we could just call it a fairy jump! Yay!

    Or, a Nancy fly, the homo hop...Oh you get it..

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Mike:

    I don't know of any other way to describe the way Soriano catches easy flyouts. He smiles and makes a

    little Peter Pan jump. If a Gay person wants to say that Soriano looks "so straight" catching the ball

    fine by me.

  • Mike

    Hey Jim,

    Make all the comments you want, but let's not use the word "gay" in a derogatory manner on the boards. I'm not, but I know people who are, and in general its a very insensitive and ignorant thing to say--especially having grown up in very liberal schools. Let's keep up the standard of best fans in the world, and stay classy.

  • Chad

    I'm not giving up.

    It looks bleak. The D-Backs have played very good baseball and are one win away from advancing to the NLCS.

    But I'm not quiting on my Cubs. It is not over. Remember what the Red Sox had to overcome to break their long drought. Maybe this will be our hill to climb. Speaking of Hill, Rich Hill starts today's Game 3 at Wrigley Field. If Hill and the offense can get it going today, the momentum could turn in a hurry. And Cubs momentum could create doubt in the young D-Backs. A lot of hope and ifs; but that is what sports, and especially being a Cubs fan, is all about.

    Go Cubs Go!!!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Neil:

    Are you at the game?

  • Rose

    Ooooops. Correction:

    "...last night's game," = Thursday's game, Game 2.

  • Rose

    I know we're all disappointed, nervous, worried, frustrated, resigned to whatever happens but still hopeful-- all of that at the same time. It's exhausting, that's all I can say about it.

    I know some of my posts after last night's game might be considered "critical" as well, I should wait to post until after I've gathered myself. But I too hope you all take them with a grain of salt. Sometimes the emotions just get the best of me.

    Go Cubs!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    Zip:

    I truly hope that I am wrong and for the record

    I am a lousy gambler.

    I've seen every game this year but two ( On T.V., Radio or in person) so that should crush any issues that you might have with me in regards to supporting

    the Cubs.

    Trevor:

    In regards to Soriano, I was expecting more. Im just

    frusrated right now.

  • Neil

    Bruce Levine just announced today's lineup....

    Soriano - LF

    Theriot - SS

    Lee - 1B

    Floyd - RF

    Ramirez - 3B

    DeRosa - 2B

    Jones - CF

    Kendall - C

    Hill - P

  • Trevor

    Who cares if Soriano jumps when he catches the ball as long as he catches it?

    Also, he hit MORE doubles and more triples in 24 fewer games with the Cubs than he did with the Nationals last year. (2nd on the team by one behind D-Lee in doubles, 1st in triples).

    So he's not just all about the homeruns.

    You already mentioned he guns anyone out who's dumb enough to run on him, and when healthy, steals a bunch of bags.

    He, along with almost the entire Cubs offense, has had a bad postseason so far offensively. But I still wouldn't call him a "dog" by any stretch.

    (By the way, anyone else watching this upset brewing of Illinois over Wisconsin?)

  • Zip

    Seems to me that fans like Jim are more interested in "being right" in their predictions than supporting the efforts leading toward a Cubs victory in this and succeeding series.

    Well, Jim from Tinley Park, you are wrong.

    Go Cubs Go!!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    The prediciment that we are in shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. We have stuggled against every team that had a better record than us. (Except Colorado 4-3 record) I thought that Arizona would win in it in 4 or 5 games. The one game that I thought for sure we would win would be game 2. I know Livan Hernandez has sucked lately but does that make him due for a good outing?

    The D-Backs seem to employ a better lineup when a lefty is on the mound. I also have to admit that I am ashamed of the way Soriano has played. I know he strikes out a lot, hits homeruns, steals bases when healthy, and throws out baserunners but other than that he is a dog. He never makes a catcher throw to first on a drop third strike and that jumping to catch the ball looks so gay. I am already dreaming about next year and the new owner. I just hope it is not Canning/Mckenna.

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