If You Were the Cubs GM....at the Deadline

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....What would you do? While the team enjoys a scheduled day off, a good baseball executive, especially the GM never gets time off during the season, and those long days have a tendency to get even longer as the July 31st non-waiver trade deadline approaches. There have been a couple of names mentioned in the same sentence as the Chicago Cubs in recent days but most think the crew Lou Piniella has will be the one he finishes the season with. But are there deals the Cubs should try to make to give them a shot to ball play in October?

Before the 2006 season, the CCO asked not only once, but twice, what you would do if you were the General Manager of the Chicago Cubs. And before this season started, we asked what you would do if you were Lou Piniella. Let's have a little fun today, with it being Monday and all, and once again play general manager....if just for a day. But as always, there is a twist.

Not only do you have to act like a GM, you have to think like one as well. You cannot say for instance, trade Jacque Jones and a minor leaguer to the Yankees for Alex Rodriguez, that scenario would never take place. Trades have to benefit both teams, not just your beloved Chicago Cubs. You also have to make a deal that improves this year's team and not mortgage too much of the future. Many experts around the league feel clubs are over valuing their prospects and are not willing to part with them as easily as in the past. And the general managers that are dealing are asking for the organizations top prospects for what usually ends up being a two-month rental. So where is the common ground?

In recent days, names such as Octavio Dotel and Zack Greinke of the Kansas City Royals have been mentioned as relievers that could be acquired to help Lou Piniella's pen down the stretch. There has also been talk about the Cubs scouting Jose Contreras. ESPN's Steve Phillips mentioned the name Kenny Lofton and thought he would be a good fit with the Cubs in the leadoff spot and dropping Alfonso Soriano down to the 5-hole in the order would give him more RBI opportunities. Before the All-Star break the name Ken Griffey, Jr. was bounced around but most think that would not happen because of the pending sale of the team.

So what would you do? What player or players do you think the Cubs should acquire before next Tuesday's deadline? Would it be a utility player? What about a catcher? How about a right fielder with a little bit of pop and range to cover the position? What about the bullpen? What do you do with Scott Eyre? Will Ohman? How about players down on the farm? Do you recall Felix Pie? What about Matt Murton? Ronny Cedeno?

Be a little creative. If you have to involve another team, do so? But explain your position and why you think your trade would be a good fit for the Chicago Cubs.

And lastly have fun, isn't that what baseball is supposed to be in the first place?

  • Eric

    Time. I meant, "every single time."

  • Eric

    I agree with the sentiment of fixing some of these things in house. Besides that, there's no way even the best of GM's could move Jones, Eyre, Howry, and Ohman in the same trading season, so we'll have to get used to some of them. I feel as though Eyre is probably having the worst of seasons among these four, so that he should be the first to go. But also, we shouldn't forget how things have been turned around in the bullpen midseason. Whereas at the beginning it was time to hold your breath anytime the pen came in with a small lead, now it seems like they actually compete. Before this weekend, it had been a month since we lost a one-run game, in which stretch we had won something like 12 of them. These guys are pretty good pitchers who had a horrendous start to their seasons (as a bullpen) but have turned it around for the most part. If we can get a guy like Gagne (or Wood, if he continues to pitch well) then fine, but I really don't think that the bullpen is a glaring weakness. We do lead the NL in BAA and are second in era, we've climbed from, what, ten under .500 to five over, and have gained five-and-a-half games on a Milwaukee team that has continued to play lights out. That does not happen with a bad bullpen. As this weekend should prove, if any problems exist for us, it starts with a need for more consistent offense. Of course, we did not have Lee or Floyd, and with Ramirez without any protection it hurts us. A good bat (not Jeff Conine!) to protect Ramirez in the five-spot would, I think, do wonders for offensive consistency. And come on, we need to start scoring runs for our young starters who are pitching their guts out. If Hill and/or Marshall allow 2 runs over six innings against Arizona, that should be a win every single team.

  • nick

    Augustin,

    I couldn't agree with you more now is the time to get out in front, starting tonight we get our full team back, the Sewers have now lost 3 of 4 to two pretty bad teams, and they are also going with out their ace, what better time than now.

  • agustin rexach

    TKS Aaron. The good thing about that Willy Mo thing is that it is very possible because they really need to move him. Also, you have a strong point in " the different in house options for 4 spots" that could help us in focusing on one BIG addition instead of 4 or 5. I feel the same way, another Ace, or another very big Bat[ even if they are a 1/2year rental] could mean the diference.



    Hey we advanced 1/2 a game without playing in both: the division and the wild card standing! That tells you that we are our worst enemy. They will kill themselves. Also imp...the only guys very hot right now in the Brewers are the back ups like Mench/Garafanino and 3b Braun...All the others that are key to them such as Hart, Fielder, Weeks, Jenkings are slumping and their pitching is is faltering[except the ugly Turnbow and Cordero]. Now is the time, I mean now as in this week! Go Cubs

  • Boseph Heyden

    I agree: Gallagher and Petrick aren't solutions. I've heard a few people talk about how the bullpen problems are settled by adding those two, but that just won't do it. Gallagher's been slightly underwhelming in his last two call ups (he seemed shaky in his four inning appearance versus the Giants) and Petrick is better than he has any business being, which is great, but Bob Brenley pointed out what could be a major tip off in his facial expressions. I'm not going to say he could get shaken in the postseason...you're eventually going to have to go with a guy making his first postseason appearance, so you might as well get his out of the way.

    Gallagher would be good trade bait, depending on his minors stats between now and the deadline. Murton's also going to be a good piece to trade. I suppose if you absolutely need a minor leaguer to trade, those two are the guys. Of course, I really hope we're not going to stay put, because our bullpen needs fixing. Eyre's proven himself unreliable in any situation, Howry in the clutch, and Ohman with inherited runners. Right there are three glaring weaknesses that are easily exploited. Getting good arms for them, Jacques, Murton, or Gallagher is worth it. I'll be very interested in how these next 8 days go.

  • Austin

    WARNING: TERRIBLE TRADE RUMOR COMING UP:

    Just read that the Cubs could trade J-Strap AND A PROSPECT for JEFF CONINE.

    Yes, that Jeff Conine.

    JJ AND A PROSPECT for Conine. Shouldn't it be Conine and a prospect at this point? And why do we feel the need to get Conine? Some reporters are absolutely retarded. Hopefully this is just speculation. Check it out at mlbtraderumors.com.

    Who the hell does Jeff Conine even play for?

    Oh, the Reds (had to go to google)

    .256 BA, 5HR, 26RBI...perfect. He should bat 5th.

    For Peoria.

    Alright, enough...

    Honestly, I dont really think this team needs much more. A right fielder would be nice, but with Fontenot playing 2B, im not upset with FLoyd/DeRo/Pagan. If anything we need a bullpen arm...I just cant see us getting into October with guys like Gallagher and Petrick in the pen. We need a proven arm...Gagne?

  • Aaron

    Jim, Boseph, Mac, Agustin, and Austin,

    You bring up great proposals and ideas.

    I especially love Agustin's proposal for Pena. Manny, David Ortiz, and many other players close to him know he has great potential. If they could work on his glove a bit, he'd be in the lineup everyday, and would be a force to reckon with. Actually, I recently saw Wily Mo linked to Cubs as well, so I think there might be something to it. Yes, he K's a lot, but he has extreme right handed OF power, which we seem to be lacking right now. That would definitely make JJ expendable, and I think a straight up swap Wily Mo for Murton would get that done. Murton obviously is not in our plans, especially with Colvin, Patterson, Fox, Hoffpauir, Kroeger, and others in our system. Murton had his shot, did well, but fell out of favor for lack of versatility, poor baserunning skills, and lack of power. I'd trade while his stock is still high. Maybe we could pawn off Eyre or Howry to them and still get Pena and not give up Murton.

    Anyway, here's my proposals:

    1) Trade Murton to the Red Sox straight up for Wily Mo Pena

    2) Gallagher and JJ to the Royals for Greinke

    3) Pie, Ohman, and a lower level pitching prospect to the Marlins for Cabrera and one of their middle infield prospects.

    4) Eyre and a low level prospect for Lofton. If you can, try to nab Benoit, Mahay, or CJ Wilson in the same trade, but include Pagan, Murton (if you haven't already traded him), and maybe another low level prospect

    I don't think there's a chance in hell we can get Dunn or Griffey, so that's out of the question, and who knows...perhaps we get Nady in a trade later on, but that's also doubtful. I think it'd be a great trade to go after Wily Mo Pena. The Lofton trade would be the next most likely one, and while I'd love to get Cabrera.....my oh my...imagine a lineup like this:

    Soriano

    Patterson (try him in CF)

    Lee

    ARAM

    Cabrera

    DeRosa

    Theriot

    Kendall

    Anyway....I ran out of Cubbie Koolaid, and I'm back to reality....I'd also love the Greinke trade, but I highly doubt the Royals would do it for that, but you never thought we'd get ARAM and Lofton so cheap, right? Probably the most likely teams to unload are: Royals, Orioles, D Rays, Rangers, Pirates, Reds, and Giants...but I think only the Royals, Rays, and Rangers have what we want AND can actually get.

    As far as I'm concerned the problem with JJ, Eyre, Howry, and Ohman, can be solved in house with Pie, Patterson, Kroeger, Hoffpauir, Coats, Rapada, Wood coming back, Pignatiello, or Cherry. That's a lot of different in house options for only 4 spots. However, if we really want to go for it this year, you have to get a guy like Cabrera, and two good, proven relievers like Greinke, Benoit, Gagne, etc.

    Anyway, let's all hope Hendry isn't done, and can snag a few guys without giving up the proverbial "farm".

  • Cory

    I went to the Iowa Cubs game yesterday and Pie had 3 hits including a grandslam to help beat the 1st place Sounds 8-7, chew on these stats;

    Pie 22years old, 180ab's, .372ba, 67hits,41runs, 36rbi,6doubles,4triples,9homers

    Patterson 24years old, 391ab's, .294,115hits, 76runs

    54rbi,19doubles, 5triples, 14homers, and 14 steals

    Both are excellent fielders

    Please don't trade them!

  • Jim (Tinley Park)

    3 OUT!

    Reds beat the Brewers 2-1!

  • agustin rexach

    Go Reds!!!

  • Zambrano

    Matt....Agustin thinks you are 100% right.

  • Matt Haggard

    So, Ill just say this everyone. I have a problem with everyone who is is afraid of selling off the HOT minor league propects. I most certainly do not want Jimmy H making a Patterson, Veal, and Pie trade for Jeff Conine (as an example). But if it took some of them to go for the win NOW, Id do what ot takes. Its been almost 100 years! Let that sink in. It could very well be another 100 years if Bud Selig sells the Cubs to a Brewer lover. So, if we have to cash in the future for a now, STAR, Im doing it.

  • Tom

    I can't make any trade idea's because it is too hard to part with the good talent we have in the minors. I wish we could get a Griffey but that will cost us a lot of talent. I don't want to part with guys like Pie, Petrick, Coats, or Kroeger. Yes they aren't guaranteed to be stars but I see a lot of talent in our minor league system. I think Blevins was a good loss but I bet we see him again in the big leagues. I would just try to get as much as I could without mortgaging the farm.

  • Jeff in AZ

    I'm pulling for Kerry Wood, what Cub fan isn't. But let's becareful about depending on him for any late season bullpen help. It will be quite a feat just to see him out there in a major league game again. Go Kerry!

  • Jeff in AZ

    I have no problems with Howry. Not sure why his name was mentioned with Jones, Eyre, and Ohman. We need a Zack Greinke, and a healthy Cliff Floyd. Jones may prove to be impossible to trade if the Cubs are unwilling to pick up any of his contract. If Floyd continues to struggle with the injury bug, than I like the rumor of Jacques Jones and a pitching prospect for Jeff Conine. Conine can back up Lee at first, and play RF if I'm not mistaken. Will Caroll is reporting that rumor, but again it wil be tricky to trade Jones.

  • Nathanael

    In my opinion, we should stand pat, unless someone lets us pull a Ramirez-Lofton-esque fleecing of them. If we're trading Veal or Patterson or anyone like that for a quick fix, temporary players, we're being utterly foolish. If the last couple years have shown anything, it's that pitching particularly is ridiculously expensive unless you grow your own. So if we trade Veal, we're going to end up signing another Marquis in a couple years (not that's he's been as bad as expected, but certainly not worth 21 million). If someone will trade a Dye or Greinke for a B level prospect, or some mix of Jones, Ohman, etc, I'd take it, but don't trade away your top prospects, unless you're getting a legitimate star, like Miguel Cabrera. That's my opinion.

  • Boseph Heyden

    First off, I think we all agree that four Cubs need to not be Cubs in order to make any "Win Now" trades worth it: Jones, Eyre, Howry, and Ohman. Ohman's found the strike zone recently, but it's the middle of it. And Howry has screwed us over in any non-save clutch situation he's been in (3 run or less lead or defecit and you can count on it getting worse for us). So you absolutely need to find ways to get them out of the North Side of Chicago. Here's my thoughts:

    -I'd be weary of getting any relievers from the Royals. The reason why is Mike MacDougal. Most of his blowing up has been because of what the White Sox did to him, but still, it gives their ex-relievers a bad stigma. Grienke may be a good pick up, but I'm throwing Eyre and/or Howry over to them for him, and not giving them any good names like Patterson, Pie, Murton, or Cedeno. You may also need to get Dotel, so package both Eyre and Howry in with a double A or lower guy (leave Samardja though...also, you may need more than one prospect bundled in there).

    *Next, you got to get rid of Jacques Jones. No major league team will take him for anyone good, so the best shot is Jermaine Dye, who I only trust in a platoon with Floyd and DeRosa. Chances are a move across town won't improve him any.

    *Last guy to get rid of is Ohman. For him, you can just trade him to any team. A lot of guys would like a lefty reliever, and since he's a good guy to put in with no inherited runners, you can get something for him. Trade him to the AL for a young reliever or a young outfielder and call it a day.

  • agustin rexach

    WARNING!!! IF YOU DON”T LIKE LONG POSTS…SKIP THIS ONE! IT MIGHT BE FULL OF B.S.

    Neil, this rocks!

    I will get shot for this, but here it goes.

    Felix Pie is one of the best defensive CF I have ever seen, he is absolutely flawless @ his position, he has endless possibilities and perhaps a very bright future. Perhaps because he cannot hit left handed pitching and has a huge hole in his swing [bigger than that of Jack Jones]. Don’t be angry…he is a great kid and he could be, he might be, but right now he is not and he has a long way to go before you can say...It is. If you want to keep rebuilding stick with him, if we are all on the same page in a win NOW mode…

    We need a slugger now and bullpen help.

    1-TyWigginton is on the market because he is due for a contract year in Tampa Bay. They need a replacement for the future because they have Gomes [who rocks] but apparently they don’t like. Felix Pie for TyWigginton could mean the World Series for the Cubs. 15hr/48rbi hitting 5th or 6th . This is the poor man’s alternative to an impossible Ken Griffey jr. Ty can play OF, 2nd, 3rd and 1rst . Felix Pie has value especially because JH says he is untouchable.

    _Gomes could be a very good 2 option

    2-Theo Epstein has always regretted trading Murton and he could have him back along with Cedeno for Willy Mo Pena who is a strong strike out candidate but a solid power hitter that has no role in Boston because they are not benching Drew. [good thing Hendry did not bought that guy]He is on the Market. Cedeno included because Julio Lugo has been awful and they will be moving him before next year and Ronnie could be plan B. [good thing Hendry did not bought that guy once again] IMO-This would be a much better move than Dunn.

    3-Howry- Angel Guzman and Mateo for Chad Cordero. With the possibility of KWood in the near future and our starters pretty much set…Eyre will be DFA to open up a spot, and a lot of arms will be blocked for a couple of years. We get rid of the inconsistent Howry and give 2 good prospects for a proven Closer. We could have 5 guys with closers’ stuff.. Check this bullpen out…

    Ohman

    Wuertz

    5-Petrick

    4-Marmol

    3-Wood

    2-Cordero

    1-Dempster

    I always feel that Demp is shaky and that he will blow every ball game but the reality is that based on his numbers and compared to the really good ones, he is a good closer.

  • A Different Mac

    DMac,

    It is somewhat contradictory to claim that teams do surprising deals to clear up payroll then say that including Jones is a way to offset payroll for the Cubs. If a team is dumping a player for salary reasons, they do not want Jones. Jones' value is directly proportional to the amount of money the Cubs pay. I recognize that in some salary dumps teams need to take salary back, but I think both Dye and Hunter are of the caliber that the teams would not be forced to take salary back. As for the claim that obviously some teams think he can still play, those clubs merely think he can play better than their current options at the position, this does not apply to every team (not every team has a position as bad as the Marlins' CF).

    The proposed Twins deal for Hunter is rather ridiculous. If the Twins wanted to trade, they could get a lot more for a gold glove CF on pace for 33 HR and 120 RBI than Jones and a prospect. Even if the Twins do not deal him, they will get 2 first round picks next year if he signs elsewhere; so the absolute minimum value the Cubs would have to beat is 2 first round picks, so it would take one (though probably more) of the Cubs best prospects plus a lot of cash.

  • DMac

    Hubert,

    you would be surprised what some teams would do to free up payroll on a team. Obviously, some people still think JJ can play, considering he was about to be the Marlins everyday CF and a trade involving the Pirates almost went through as well.

    The main reason to include JJ in the trade is to offset payroll. Then in reality, the opposing team would be receiving a prospect in return. However, unless the twins cash in during the next 9 days, I think they are contenders and will be hesitant to trade away Hunter. Otherwise, it makes sense, as he is not going to return to the Twins and they minds well get something in return.

  • Dave in STL

    I think everyone on this site knows anything w/ JJ in it involves the Cubs picking up some portion of his remaining salary both this season and next. However, the better the prospect shipped out, the less of JJ's salary the Cubs have to pick up. Therefore, I'm proposing only 1 trade as that is all we need.

    JJ & Eric Patterson to KC for Zach Greinke. The Cubs pick up 4M on JJ, half of what's left this season and half next season is approx 4M or so. KCR gets the major league ready 2B which they do not have and an adequate corner OF'r to pair w/ Mark Teahen. I'd take JJ over Emil Brown for 2M or 2.5M next season. The Cubs get the long reliever spot starter they need as insurance. KCR used to be high on ZG but his disinterest in remaining a starter has soured them on his attitude. If Lou/Spendry are truly committed to Fontenot, then Patterson is blocked until DeRosa's contract is up...

    Win/Win for both teams... except us paying his salary which is BS but will have to happen to move him...

    Pie gets to come back up to platoon w/Pagan, who can also play RF if needed. Murton remains in AAA in case of injury.....

  • Hubert

    Most of those trades that include "JJ and a prospect", the opposing GM would laugh in your face. Noone will trade you somebody like Torii Hunter or Jermaine Dye for "JJ and a prospect". LOL.

  • baron

    Some of these trades would be impossibel to work out. But, with the White Sox season just about done, Dye might be an interesting option. He's not hitting for a very high average, but at least he has bonafide power, unlike JJ. Lee-Ramirez-Dye could be interesting

  • Austin

    Here's my trade:

    To KC: Donnie Veal and Ronny Cedeno (and cash, if needed)

    To Cubs: Zack Greinke

    Bring up Pie in CF, Soriano in LF, Floyd/Pagan/DeRosa in RF.

    To Col: Jones

    To Cubs: Clint Barmes

    Barmes would be a nice backup at short, as he is doing well in AAA for the Rockies. We need him now that we have traded Cedeno. Send down Fox to make room.

  • nick

    IF Floyd could stay heatlhy, that is IF, i would be very content with him in RF, but as of late he is getting banged up alot, so I would go after Jermaine Dye. I would try to include Jones, and Eyre in a package deal with maybe a prospect, don't know if it would work, but hey, worth a try.

    As for a reliever I would set my sites on KC, for either Grienke or Dotel, I like Dotel, but if I had to choose, it would be Grienke, just for the simple fact of his age.

    I would definetely call up Pie, he would be our center fielder, not every other day, everyday. He brings energy and GREAT Defense to the table, and who knows maybe now is when he will find his offensive groove, just like Hill did last year.

    My lineup for the stretch run looks like this.

    Soriano - LF

    Theriot / Fontenot - SS

    Lee - 1st

    Ramirez - 3rd

    Dye - RF

    DeRosa - 2ND

    Pie - CF

    Kendall - C

    Bullpen not in order:

    Petrick

    Ohman

    Weurtz

    Howry

    Wood

    Marmol

    Dempster

    Bench:

    Ward

    Pagan

    Floyd

    Hill

  • Mac

    I think there are four plausable options for the Cubs as far as position players are concerned. All would help the Cubs dramatically in my opinion.

    First, trade JJ and a minor league pitcher like Petrick to Minnesota for Tori Hunter. JJ offsets the payroll acquisition of Hunter, and the Twins get a promising pitching prospect. The Cubs get a valuable power hitter to hit in the 5 slot of the line-up to protect Ramirez.

    Second, send JJ and Micah Hoffpauir to the White Sox for Germaine Dye. Cubs again get protection for Ramirez, and a steady right fielder for the remainder of the season, and he gets to stay in Chicago and go to a contender once again. White Sox get a less expensive option for right field, plus a promising power hitting first basemen who has no spot on the Cubs roster for years, and can DH for an AL team like the Sox.

    Third, once again, trade JJ and a pitching prospect to the Pirates for Xavier Nady. Nady once again can give protection in the 5 slot, plus play multiple positions.

    As far as tweaking the line-up, I would also explore getting Omar Vizquel for the play-off run. You don't get much better than him, and the Cubs would probably lose no one if they chose to buy out the rest of his 07' contract which would be about 1.6 million. If push came to shove, I would want Vizquel in the clutch rather than Theriot. Nothing against Ryan, but for the short term, I'll take a guy who has been there before, and plays lights out defense.

    As far as pitching goes, I would trade JJ and a minor leaguer to the Rangers for Joaquin Benoit. He would help the bullpen alot, and the Cubs could expell Jones in the process.

  • Steve

    How about Jacque Jones and a minor leaguer for Alex Rodriguez.....oh wait, never mind.

    Really, I think Greinke would be a solid pick up. The Royals are always looking for cheap young talent. I think Cedeno or Murton and a minor league pitcher would probably be enough. The Royals do think pretty highly of Greinke though, so maybe they're asking too much. I just don't know. We still could use another option in RF. Floyd is pretty good still, when healthy, but he gets banged up pretty easily these days.

    One thing is for sure, we need to trade JJ while he's hot. We all know that he's going to come back to reality very soon. Its really a shame that he didn't work out for us. He seems like a really good guy and he does try very hard. However, trying hard doesn't cut it in the big leagues, you need to produce.

  • Jim (Tinley Park)



    A few thoughts....

    * If available, Lofton would be a great addition and I would bat him second. Let's face it, Soriano is most productive batting 1st.

    * I'd swing a trade with the Angels for Erwin Santana. Santana has recently been sent down to AAA.

    The Angels need a stick, maybe they would take Jones. Santana, would be the long man/spot starter

    * I want no part of Contreras. The guy is also going through a divorce (according to the NY Post)

    * I highly doubt that we could get Junior but that would be an awesome pick up.

    * with the Yankees picking uo steam I would imagine that they are going to be in their usual buying mode.

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