The Future is....Now?

Vote 0 Votes

Rich Hill gave up just 1 earned run for his 2nd victory in a row. Rich Hill gave up just 1 earned run for his 2nd victory in a row. That isn't a typing error....I felt we all needed to let those words sink in, as we ponder the future of the Cubs franchise.

What will 2007 bring, and how much of the future are we witnessing, here, in the present moment?

If you think Jim Hendry is going to clean house of his precious prospects, and sign 3-4 big-name free agents, such as Barry Zito, Carlos Lee, and Alfonso Soriano....well....you know better!

Over the Hill?

Has Rich Hill started to "get it" at the big league level? We all need to realize that he did face one of the two worst teams in the entire Major Leagues, in the Pittsburgh Pirates, so perhaps tempering our enthusiasm a bit would be prudent. Still, it was great to see, because whether he is in the starting rotation in 2007, or not, the better Rich Hill pitches the next few months, the more options at Hendry's disposal.

It has been well-documented that Hendry prefers to add above average players via a trade, rather than in free agency, because the players he trades for are usually still under contract for a reasonable sum of money. In free agency, players tend to get much more than they really deserve, because certain teams in need have to overpay to secure their services. The Chicago Bulls are a perfect example of this. Ben Wallace was not worth his $15 mill/year contract, due to his talent, but he was worth it to GM John Paxson, because Wallace was the best player available, and the Bulls desperately needed a solid veteran big man. So the Bulls purposely overpaid.

This happens all the time in baseball....just look at Rafael Furcal this year, and mediocre pitchers like Carl Pavano, Jared Wright, and A.J. Burnett. Smart teams trade for rising talent, when possible, by fleecing teams that can't afford to keep their star players. If the Cubs were a small market team, you can guarantee that about 29 teams would be putting together packages to offer Hendry for Carlos Zambrano. In much the same way, Hendry will be looking at teams like the Marlins, Devil Rays, Royals, Pirates, and the Orioles, and seeing how he can package some players together to get a really good (and affordable) player in return.

Who do we trade for....?

I thought a guy like Andrew Jones would be a great fit at the corner outfield spot, and we either get rid of Jones or give up on Murton. Murton looks like he really can hit, but he needs to show more power consistently. What about Carl Crawford....can you imagine a team with both Crawford and Pierre stealing about 120 bases between them!? Can we make a move for Tejada, now that we can dangle either Cedeno or Izturis along with Hill, Marshall, or Marmol?

I think if either Tim Hudson or Mark Mulder are available, we should look into these proven winners. I want the Cubs to add proven guys for a change, and not just pour us a pitcher full of Hope. Can we take Jason Kendall, and his big contract, off the A's, and move Barrett into one of the corner OF spots? The A's love prospects and young pitchers, and now we finally have some that are looking decent.

If the season started today....

The Cubs starting rotation for 2007 currently looks like this:
Zambrano
Prior
Marshall
Marmol
Hill

Your Chicago Cubs lineup looks like this:
Pierre
Izturis
Lee
Ramirez
Jones
Barrett
Murton
Cedeno

So who do you want to get rid of, or who are you more willing to give up in a trade? You can make a case for every single player as to why they should stay, but you can also make a case for a lot of them on why we need to upgrade over them!

Derrek Lee will make a huge difference being healthy....no doubt about it. Pierre, Ramirez, and Barrett are all solid at the plate. Jones has done what we hoped, and has been worth his salary so far. The obvious questions are Murton, Cedeno, and now Izturis. You can have one weak-hitting infielder, provided he has a great glove, and that is why I think Izturis will be a keeper. Can Cedeno improve, or is he an average defensive player with a .250 BA, and just average speed? Will Murton be able to hit 20-25 HRs?

Open Forum....

Time to hear from you, CCO Readers, because these answers are just not obvious yet, and we have a 1/3rd of the season left to help us make these decisions. However, it will be fun to see who can make the best guesses....so please give me your thoughts/ideas/trades/wishes for the rest of this year and for the off-season! At the start of next Spring Training, we can all look back at our predictions, and see if we were on the mark or not. Step up to the plate, Cubs Faithful, and declare your position on the players on this team, and what you think it will take to return to a division title in 2007! I think the Cubs are two trades away from being in the World Series....how about you? Until next time CCO Readers, keep the faith, hope for our rookie pitchers to keep winning, for Prior to remember who he is, and let's go Cubs!

  • jim

    Jim from TP. Why are you so ready to get rid of Barrett. The best hitting catcher since Piazza. A guy who has improved dramatically from last year pn defense and in a added bonus the guy speaks spanish fluently. In a game like baseball that is a huge advantage. Getting rid of Barret would be the dumbest move we could make in the offseason. Get rid of the best part of our sad offense??????

  • Jason B. from AZ

    Nathanael,

    I would love to have Soriano (probably more in the OF than at 2B, due to defense). However, there is no history of the Cubs paying top dollar for a healthy free agent, in his prime, coming off a good year. Is Soriano worth more than Paul Konerko? Yes, in my world. So that means he will cost the Cubs more than Derrick Lee, and would be the highest paid player on the team. Hendry won't do that...I wish he would, but he won't.

    Jim(from TP),

    Agree that Murton needs to be given at-bats.

    Don't see Dusty sitting a veteran (Jacque Jones) so that he can see what Pagan can do...if anything, Dusty will cut into Murton's time to with Pagan. I don't agree with this, but, dude, Dusty plays all his guys!

    I agree that LF and 2B are the biggest question marks, and oddly enough they may not be addressed as Hendry may just go with Cedeno and Murton.

    If the young kids pitch well, Hendry is going to have some hard decisions to make (hard for him, not for me): Does he stand pat in the field, and trade for a premium pitcher, or does he stand pat with the young pitchers, and trade for a premium 2B/LF?

    Hendry could conceivably add to the starting rotation and to either the 2B/LF positions, but I don't see this as being a likely scenario.

    The pressure will be on Hendry to do something, as he can't just return all the same guys and tell the Cubs Faithful that everything is better now...especially if Dusty is still managing!

    Don't be surprised if Hendry touts his "offseason moves" as:

    resigning Pierre

    restructuring Aramis Ramirez's contract

    signing Zambrano to a long-term deal

    Although these 3 moves don't add anything new to this club, Hendry will point to these as "successes" in his offseason...I guarantee it!



    jim,

    I would like Zito, too...but I don't believe Hendry will pay his asking price. More likely, he would trade for an above average pitcher...a #4 type of guy.

    I agree on your bullpen completely!

    I don't want Brenly either...Girardi would be nice, or someone like him, that expects no excuses from his team.

    Sadly, Jim Hendry loves his pitching coach. So I think we are stuck with Larry "By God, Throw a Towel!" Rothschild for at least another year. But I agree with you...more pitchers have failed to develop, or regressed, during his watch, than have improved.

  • Jim

    I would be happy with the lineup if we got two starters for the rotation. I think Marmol and Marshall need some more time to learn on how to pitch at the big leagues. They both are very impressive. Big-Z, Prior and Hill. Then go out and get a Zito. We still need to figure out if Miller will be ready to dominate next season. We should definetly sign Woody. Let him go to the bullpen and add to the strengh of our team...

    Aarsdma

    Erye

    Howry

    Dempster

    Wuertz

    Woody

    maybe Ohmen

    I think that Murton will be a very good player. Only giving him one year is not enough. The Mets waited 3 on Reyes. Look at him now. Muton will be a everyday player and he will be much better defensivly now that his bat is coming back to him.

    Cedeno is a gamble. Moving to second will only make him better defensivly but will he hit in the .290's? Can't have two infielder that can't hit.

    The Detroit Tigers went from a 100 game losers to 100 game winners with basically the same exact team except for two or three players. Will a new manager be the fix?

    Only way I want Dusty to go is if I know that we can get Giardi. I don't want Lou Pinella or Bob Brenly. They are not the answer. Let them stay in the Booth. I do think that it is time to clean out some of the other coaches. We need another hitting coach and another Pitching coach. I have never been happy with what Larry Rothchild has done. Not one of the prospects has come up and stayed up. Marshall doesn't count. Where is Guzman?

  • jim (tinley park)

    Jason B:

    For the remainder of the season these are must do's:

    * Play Murton in LF, Platoon Jones and Pagan in RF. We need to see more of Murton and decide if he is the answer in Left Field. If he is the answer, great. If not, they better pony up for Carlos Lee or Soriano. We know what we are getting from Jones, no mystery there. I also like Pagan but only as a 4th outfielder.

    * Not that they have much of a choice, but keep troting out the young pitchers. I have been saying this for awhile, Zambrano is you #1 Ace! Prior is your #5! Hendry must identify #2 thru #4. I would like to see Hendry acquire two starting pitchers for next year. I think Hill, Marshall and Marmol should battle it out for one spot. My belief being that if a starter goes down you will have a reliable arm in reserve. The days of Prior and Wood headlining the rotation are over.

    If the Cubs decide Murton and Cedeno are not the solution, they along with Michael Barrett are their most valuble trading cards. I know Barrett is solid

    hitter at a position usually considered for defense but he could bring the most in return. As I see it,

    the Cubs are set at:

    1b (lee) SS (Izturis) RF (Jones) C (Barrett)

    Presuming they accomadate:

    3b (Ramirez) CF (Pierre)

    Leaving LF and 2B your area of concerns.

    IF, they fail to land Lee and/or Soriano they will have to make some deals. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the possible, available players via a trade in a Cub uniform:

    LF Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn, Chone Figgins

    RF Austin Kearnes, Willy Mo Pena, Casey Blake,

    2b Marcus Giles, Orlando Hudson, Adam Kennedy

    3b Eric Chavez, Hank Blalock, Adrian Beltre

    ss Miguel Tejada, Bill Hall.

    C Mike Matheny, Brian Mccann

    I read today that Joe Girardi and Jeffrey Loria got into it the other day. Hmmmmm. I am still leaning toward the Baker bunch being shown the door on October 3. Only recently has this guy shown the passion and strategy to win.

  • Jason B. from AZ

    Steve,

    Good points across the board. I don't see them keeping Murton as a reserve. I agree with the idea, but teams tend to view prospects as either starters or tradebait, and their reserves tend to be acquired with the "mindset" that they are coming in to be reserves. Maybe this is done to avoid the player becoming vocally unhappy, or maybe to spare management/scouts the embarassment of having their competence questioned everyday that the prospect is sitting on the bench and not starting.

    I don't know what Dusty will do, or what the Cubs will do. Hendry only has one more year left, and GMs don't usually sign managers for longer than they are around. Would Dusty sign just for 1 year? I doubt it. That may give Hendry an easy out...he offers the 1 year, and Dusty declines, and then he tries to coax Girardi from the Marlins. The Girardi angle became interesting this week, when he and the owner supposedly got in a heated 90 minute closed door conversation with the team. Funny how an owner of a $15 million payroll club can bust the chops of a rookie manager who has his team grossly over-achieving, yet the Cubs can never say a bad word about Dusty!

    Mordecai,

    Agree on the Barrett switch to OF idea...may be a good move, but only if the new catcher is truly a defensive gem, but still has a bat...and those guys are rare (which is why I like Jason Kendall).

    I agree that while the young pitchers all look promising now, can you really gamble all will work out next year, or do you go out and land a proven starter. I think if the rookies finish strong, especially Hill and Marmol, that Hendry may very well go with Prior, Zambrano, Marshall, Marmol, and Hill in the rotation. Hendry can do this if he has Wood/Miller as fallback starters, as well as Dempster (Aardsma/Wuertz/Howry could move to the closers role, and possibly Wood...freeing up Dempster to start).

    Chad,

    They have to resign Pierre, and he is definitely worth it. The most hits in baseball, besides Ichiro, over a 5 year period...that is proven and consistent talent! His runs scored, ability to cover large gaps in the OF, his stolen bases, and his great no-excuses attitude are all worth the money. Just as centers are overvalued in the NBA draft compared to off-guards, so are quality leadoff men like Ichiro, Furcal, and Pierre undervalued compared to "sluggers" like Richie Sexson, Shawn Green, JD Drew, and others. Every year in the NBA teams draft 7-foot losers, yet the superstars are always the guards like Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and Dwayne Wade.

    Don't fall in love with Pagan...please!

    That is like falling in love with Todd Hollandsworth. Seriously. Pagan is a good backup...don't project a 1/3rd of a season for an unproven talent into a career. The Cubs make that mistake often enough as it is!

  • Nathanael

    What about Soriano? Why does no one ever mention him? He has a great bat, great power, great speed, and is not a defensive liability in left. Also, since the Yankees traded for Abreu, they no longer have room for Soriano, making the price to sign him much less than it could have been. What do you think? Pierre, Jones, and Soriano sounds like a solid outfield to me.

  • Chad

    What about Juan Pierre?

    I would love to keep him. He has a great attitude and is now playing great as well. But the local papers said that he is in line to double his $5.75 million salary in FA. Is he worth that?

    Could Pagan play CF and use the $$$ at another need position?????

    I don't have answers...just questions.

  • Mordecai Brown

    Baker has had to go with a youth movement despite his obvious preference for veterans. The results are not yet in, and won't be until mid-2007 at the earliest, but, boy, these kids look good. I'd hate to see Cedeno or Murton go, but we clearly need at least one proven starting pitcher. We just can't depend on 4 youngsters in the starting rotation next year if we expect to win. A package of Murton or Cedeno and one, maybe two, of our rookie starters should be sufficient to trade up to a star-quality left fielder or catcher. Add in Jacque Jones and you might land a Tejada or an outfielder with that level of talent.

    I see the weak spot for next year to be starting pitching. Sure, there is more than a glimmer of hope with the staff we have now, but it's too iffy, just like our team at the beginning of this year. The Cubs seem to be the leading exponent of Murphy's Law: whatever can go wrong, will go wrong. Defensively, we need an upgrade at catcher. Perhaps the best solution is to work Barrett at left field in the spring and try to land a good-field, fair-hit catcher without giving up too much young talent, then concentrate on trading for or free agent signing a quality starting pitcher like Zito.This presupposes Barrett is competent in LF, which isn't that big a stretch, given his bat and tenacity. For heaven's sakes, let's not mess too much with our relief pitching; that is clearly a strength.

  • Steve

    The big question is did we get the 2004 Izturis or the 2005 Izturis? In 2004 Ceasar was fantastic. He won a gold glove and batted .288 and swiped 25 bags. In 2005 he was pretty unproductive and got hurt. If he returns to form we have really found something.

    Cedeno...well, I like Cedeno and if can adjust to playing second he could really thrive there. I think that the shorter distance to first should cut down on those throwing errors quite a bit. He does have incredible range too. I would like to see money spent elsewhere. I have to believe that Ronny will figure it out at 2nd and be much improved defensively. We'll have to see if his bat comes around though. Ronny was red hot in winter ball and last year with the Cubs. Weather or not he can find that stroke consistently remains to be seen.

    Murton is a little more difficult because he is not a great defender nor does he show the potential to be one. If he gets consistent playing time and stops pressing he's going to hit in the .290's. In time he could become a 15-20 HR player too. But how much time will that take? I see Murton as being a great bench player. Like a Todd Hollandsworth kind of guy. Someone who can come in late in the game and get a clutch hit here or there. I don't know if he'll ever turn the corner and become a solid option to start every day.

    We need to add at least one quality-starting pitcher to the mix. We'll see which kids emerge to claim a spot as this season wears on. If we could acquire a left fielder and a starter in the rotation, we'll be in really good shape next year.

    Oh, yes and let’s not forget...A NEW MANAGER. I have noticed that Dusty seems to have awakened from his slumber. He seems to have had a clue the last 2-3 weeks. But 2-3 weeks of managing doesn't exactly do it. The Baker Bunch needs to be replaced. There is hope for 2007. Bring me a trophy Mr. Hendry.

blog comments powered by Disqus








CCO Twitter Updates




Shop WrigleyvilleSports.com Today!

Twitter Sports

Cubs on Twitter

Displaying tweets tagged with #Cubs

via twitter sports net


Recent Comments


Chicago Cubs Online - Featured On The Web Here

Chicago Cubs Online - one of Chicago's best blogs
Chicago Cubs Online - on Chicago Sun Times Chicago Cubs Online - on Sports Illustrated

ChicagoCubsOnline on YouTube