Talkin' Cubs Live - Cubs vs. Nationals - 07/23/06

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Game Ninety-Seven: Cubs (37-59) vs. Nationals (42-56)
Game Time - 12:20pm C.T. WGN TV, WGN Radio, XM Radio Channel 184
Location - RFK Stadium, Washington D.C.

Carlos Marmol (3-3, 3.86) vs. Tony Armas (6-5, 4.61)

Sean Marshall Put on the 15-Day DL - Aardsma and Wuertz Recalled from Iowa, plus Trade Deadline Rumors and Game Discussion

With the recent trade of Scott Williamson and all of the rumors surrounding the current crop of Cubs on the active roster, feel free to use this "Talkin'" to discuss the trade rumors as well. I know most out there are beyond frustrated with the way the Cubs have played this season but what the Cubs received for Scott Williamson is in direct reflection of the way he and this team has performed. The Cubs need to play Phil Nevin and Todd Walker as much as possible over the next few days and they need them to get hot at the plate and play well in the field, if neither are allowed to play and both perform poorly there will be more low prospects on their way to the Cubs organization.

Now to the game and the trade rumors....

Carlos Marmol has pitched extremely well for a pitcher that was not expected to be in the mix for the Cubs this season and was hopeful of a promotion to the Triple-A level, much less the big leagues. While most are disheartened by the amount of walks the young right-hander gives up per start (4+ per start, 29 walks total in 7 starts) he has pitched his way around the free passes and is 2-1 with a 3.31 ERA in July. The walks are obviously running up his pitch counts, which is the reason for most of the concern. After a tremendous start against the Astros when he allowed only 1 run on 4 hits in 6 innings of work the Cubs must receive another quality start from the rookie in order to give the bullpen a much-needed rest. Marmol did strike out 6 his last time out against the Astros, but he walked 6 has well and that caused his pitch count to reach 110. Both Michael Barrett and Larry Rothschild must keep Marmol from throwing so many unnecessary pitches. Of his 7 starts this season Marmol has held his opponent to 1-run in 4 of those starts and under 4 runs in 2 of his starts, allowing more than 4 runs only once (7 against the Twins). Marmol has the stuff, he just needs time and coaching.

Tony Armas made his first start after coming off the DL on July 17th against the Marlins. The Marlins scored 4 runs on 5 hits in just 5 innings of work; it was his first start in almost a month. Armas will beat himself if the Cubs allow he to do so. Last month he gave up 22 hits and walked 8 in 17 2/3 innings of work and May was more of the same. In 32 innings, Armas gave up 31 hits and 13 walks. The Cubs will have chances, all they have to do today is cash them in....sounds easy enough, right?

Sean Marshall on the 15-Day DL

Sean Marshall as expected was put on the 15-day DL with a stained left oblique that was suffered during Saturday's game against the Nationals. According to the report out of Chicago, the Cubs did recall both David Aardsma and Michael Wuertz from Triple-A Iowa. The Cubs need bullpen help and are expected to make the decision over Marshall's replacement in the starting rotation in the next couple of days.

Trade Rumors

With only a handful of teams out of the playoff hunt (Cubs, Pirates, Royals, Orioles, Devil Rays, Nationals, Indians, Phillies and Marlins) most of the experts are saying this will be a very quiet last week before the trade deadline....but here are the latest reliable rumors.

With the Giants acquiring Shea Hillenbrand from the Blue Jays, the reported interest for Todd Walker is now coming from the Texas Rangers and Seattle Mariners.

The Cubs and the Marlins are reportedly interested in Astros' centerfielder Willy Taveras, a report out of Chicago on Sunday morning confirmed a rumor that I had heard on XM Radio last week.

According to a report in the Chicago Tribune on Sunday morning, the Cubs and Astros are interested in Miguel Tejada. Phil Rogers is reporting that the Astros have more to offer the Orioles than the Cubs.

Let's Talk Cubbies Baseball and Rumors....

  • Chad

    Jason,

    I agree with everything except Marshall and Marmol.

    They may not even be #5 starters, but I think they both have upside that is higher. Marmol's stuff is very good and Marshall has a nasty curve, a good change, and is a lefty. Now, they both have major control problems, but if either one can vastly improve their command then they can be middle of the rotation guys, at least. Probably not next year, but in their Cub futures. I'd also like Hill to get several starts in a row too. I think its too early to close the book on him. He may be a 4A pitcher, but it is too early to tell. The Cubs should use this lost season to find out about these guys.

    I also agree that Murton should be playing every day instead of platooning. It seems to me that he has more upside, but I'd be very happy if Pagan turns out to be great. Until July 1st Nevin and Walker should be showcased, then Murton and Theriot should be given 2 more months to prove themselves. And Pagan in RF if Jones is traded. I don't want Pierre or ARam traded given the Cubs have a good idea they can keep both of them in the off-season.

    As we have stated ad nauseum...Dusty won't look to 2007 until Hendry makes a decision.

    Also, has Ohman, Aardsma, and Wuertz shown enough to trade either Eyre or Howry? (Not both). Both of them must have a lot of value with the current state of bullpens all over baseball. (I'm doubting Dempster could get much of a return now.)

    In the end...Go Cubs!!!

  • Jason B. from AZ

    Hey Chad,

    I think you will enjoy my article for tomorrow, that I just finished writing. I talk about a lot of the same things you just commented on here, including the fact that the manager's status needs to be addressed, simply for the fact that we need our GM and manager on the same page for 2007 and the future, since this season is toast.

    You also brought up the injuries/coincidence question, which I go over as well, and I largely attribute it to shoddy preparation and mediocre doctors and trainers. A $600 million dollar business ought to have the very best doctors and trainers...bar none!

    Neil,

    I want the Cubs to get something for Walker...but how much does it suck that Neifi will start the rest of the year because of that? He has, like, 4 walks all year, and an OBP of around .260...ridiculous. I think the Cubs manager plays him so much because no one else truly personifies the "aggressive" hitting style preached quite like Neifi does.

    Unless Tavaras is a backup, it is another example of Hendry thinking he can "scout" talent over acquiring legitimate and proven talent (such as Carlos Lee).



    Thoughts On today's game:

    Pitiful. The Cubs have been inconsistent all year, except for one category, which is in making mediocre pitchers look like Aces.

    I hope we get Tejada, because I have lost a lot of confidence in Cedeno. He doesn't hit for average, or for power, his defense has only been average and he has made costly mental mistakes, and he has horrible success in stealing bases. I am actually longing for the days of Alex Gonzalez. Sure, he struck out a lot, and he made that costly Game 6 error, but his defense was normally stellar, and he could be counted on to jack out some big game winning homeruns every 3rd week or so.

    Murton/Pagan...not sure I am crazy about either of these guys, but I think Murton has shown more potential at the plate. How either of them will improve platooning is beyond me. If you want to get Pagan a lot of at-bats, then send him to the minors.

    Marmol/Marshall...so far they look like decent 5th starter options, but I don't see Aces in the making. ESPN today stated that there are more quality left-handed starters under 28 years old, today, then in about 20 years. This includes Kazmir in Tampa Bay, Leicester in Boston, Liriano in Minnesota and more. When you throw in other young arms such as Jared Weaver of the Angels, some of Houston's young starters, the young guns on the Oakland A's staff, and, of course, the Florida Marlins...you have to wonder why the Cubs can't get any high-level production from their arms on the farm! Bad luck? Bad scouting? Bad managers doing a poor job of developing talent?

    Finally: I don't want to watch games filled with Neifi, Nevin, Bynum, Pagan, Rusch, and Novoa. I have seen enough from them to know they aren't the future of the team, and, at the most, they are bench players. So please keep them on the bench, and start playing the roster for 2007, so these guys can get used to playing together as a unit. I am talking about double-play combinations, pitchers and catchers learning how to communicate with each other, etc... If we practice this stuff now, then 2007 won't be starting from scratch. My long two cents!

  • Chad

    Well, this makes 3 straight games we've had a pitcher injured.

  • Chad

    Well, the next hundred years ought to be one hell of a run.

  • How much time?

  • Chad

    They say injuries and bad luck even out over time...

  • Chad, Tavaras did have a fine season last year and if I remember correctly he was at the top of the NL Rokie of the Year voting. He has struggled this season and from what I understand has fallen out of grace with Houston.

    If Tavaras is the back-up plan, I do like the idea that the organization is starting to think ahead...have backup plans, etc. Pie is not ready, from what I have read and seen and it would be great for them not to rush him to the Major League level. Also with Pie, I wonder if he could be an option for right field. He has played there at Iowa and I saw him at Spring Training in right, very good arm.

    What is going on with injuries?

  • Chad

    Neil,

    That's interesting and comforting news regarding Tavaras, but how much are we willing to give up for a back-up CF? Maybe its insurance in case Pierre signs elseshere.

  • jim

    Why the hell is Nefi in there again!?!?!?!?!?!?

  • Chad from what I heard on XM, Tavaras would be in addition to Pierre not instead of.

    Hendry has to make a decision on Baker and you are right, again, about Dusty trying to win. This is the same thing they did last season when everyone, but the Cubs, knew they were not going to make the post season.

  • Chad

    Once again, I think Baker's agenda is different because of his job status. The Cubs need to build for next year by playing the tradable pieces for the next week, then play our young guys to see what holes we need to fill in the offseason.

    Baker needs to be let go or extended, immediately. Maybe by not playing Nevin and Walker he is trying to force Hendry's decision.

    BTW, I really hope we re-sign Pierre. I know Tavaras is a cheaper version, but his passion is vastly needed, while Tavaras' passion is his biggest question mark.

  • Chad, I do not get it either. Neifi in the 2-hole. How many times has he popped out this year.

    I hope a trade is brewing for both Nevin and Walker and that is the reason they are not playing today.

  • Chad

    Line-up per MLB.com:

    Pierre

    Perez

    Ramirez

    Lee

    Jones

    Barrett

    Pagan

    Cedeno

    Marmol

    Go Cubs!!!

    No Nevin or Walker...

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